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    I am fresh to these forums and would like to introduce myself. My name is Mushroom Man. My 1st order of business is to ask everyone if they have any information on ergot(spores etc). I am very curious about this fungus. So if anybody can help me that would be great. thanks

    Ergot is a fungus which grows most commonly on wheat grain AFAIK, which is why the term “ergotism” was invented. It relates to cases of mass ergot poisoning in the middle ages, where entire villlages would have hallucinations, and many would become ill (ergot poisoning can cause gangrene from clotting in the blood amongst other things).

    The psychoactive ingredient in ergot is an alkaloid called Ergonovine. Ergotamine tartrate is taken from ergot too, and is a precursor of d-lysergic acid hydrate, which is in turn a precursor to the LSD tryptalamine (LSD-25, or D-Lysergic acid Diethylamide.)

    That’s about all I know…:weee:

    ergotamine causes disruption of the circulation and if you get a numb mouth you have over done it

    check this for some information on the tartrate molecule of it [applies for ergot too in the main part]

    http://www.drugs.com/MMX/Ergotamine_Tartrate.html

    and also be aware that more than once in a week this can become an addiction and is very bad for your health [very very bad]

    noname= wrote:
    . It relates to cases of mass ergot poisoning in the middle ages, where entire villlages would have hallucinations, and many would become ill (ergot poisoning can cause gangrene from clotting in the blood amongst other things).


    to many these symtoms may have made them look like witches/evil beings. :weee: imagine trippin ya nut off , not knowing why, then having a angry mob after ya tryin to burn ya. hard times

    well that is great so far. I am only asking this because it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to find LSD anywhere. I live in Ontario. my 1st and only link is in B.C, right across Canada:hopeless: so my next choice is to somehow obtain ergot either spores or dead fungus and somehow obtain enough information to make my own LSD-25. This won’t be after months and months of collecting info etc. So thanks to everyone so far.

    F.Y.I Right now I have some Canary Reed Grass seeds which I plan to grow and extract my own DMT.

    TBH while i appreciate you cant get LSD i really wouldnt recommend ergot

    :bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl:bounce_fl

    I just want it to study it and see if I can turn it into LSD:weee:

    I found this great .pdf file about Ergot Chemistry, it is very interesting. But can I buy spores and try to bring it indoors?

    i will go and see what i can find out for you in the next few days :crazy:

    Mushroom Man wrote:
    well that is great so far. I am only asking this because it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to find LSD anywhere. I live in Ontario. my 1st and only link is in B.C, right across Canada:hopeless: so my next choice is to somehow obtain ergot either spores or dead fungus and somehow obtain enough information to make my own LSD-25. This won’t be after months and months of collecting info etc. So thanks to everyone so far.

    F.Y.I Right now I have some Canary Reed Grass seeds which I plan to grow and extract my own DMT.

    You can buy ergotamine tartrate tablets over the counter in Argentina (possibly other places too). If you know anyone lives there, get them to post some to you (saves having to extract the Useful from all the other Alkaloids in the fungus).

    Acid is notoriously difficult to synthesize though, and may be more trouble than it’s worth. This has been said elsewhere on the forum, but you would find it much easier to make one of the phenethylamine analogues (2-CB, CI etc etc) as synthesis is far easier (acid is a Tryptalamine – a much more complex chemical structure).

    Or alternatively – Lophophora Williamsii (otherwise known as peyote) is perfectly legal for growing in most countries – get some other rare cacti, and you can say you’re a collector if asked…

    Good info here: http://www.plot55.com/growing/l.williamsii.html

    :cool::crazy_fre:cool:

    alright thanks everyone,

    as a matter of fact I have already got cacti seeds.
    I have Peyote, San Pedro, and Peruvian Torch Cactus. I am just waiting to start them because I don’t want to fuck them up. I have around 10 of each. Also some Phalaris Grass seeds and Syrian Rue seeds so we’ll see if I can grow them aswell:weee:

    as for the LSD goes I will continue my search for either the actual chemical itself or ergot.

    This is for information purposes for anyone who is interested in how LSD can be synthisised.

    Making LSD from Ergot isn’t difficult, just a bit involved, (for someone not used to growing cultures). You’re just growing something, then washing it with alcohols/acids/bases, just as you would if you were extracting anything from i.e. plant material.

    Looking for ergot on wild grasses near where you live is the best start. it is everywhere. rye most commonly. Below i paste the method for making a sterile ergot preperation and the procedure for making LSD. There are equipment needs, as every stage needs to be sterile, like when you infect matter with spores for mushroom growing, but if you really want some, and it seems theres a gap to fill in the market, you may find it worth it:

    The full synthesis of the lysergic acid is too difficult. Lysergic
    acid amides can be extracted from the seeds of morning glory or
    hawaiian baby wood rose, but it is not practical, because the huge
    amount of seeds needed to get enough lysergic acid amides for
    the LSD synthesis. To my opinion the only feasible possibility is
    to cultivate ergot.

    **
    This process requires laboratory equipment, including an autoclave and a vacume pump. These are in most labs, and you could make friends with a college student. As far as they’re concerned you could be growing a culture of any fungus or bacteriea, they don’t have to know its not legal. You only need to steralise a bit of eqipment and a culture medium. And alternatives to vacumes for drying out products can be found) All other equipmant can be ‘borrowed’ from a school/college, or found on the internet. but as long as you steralise it, you can get inventive and use glass containers and tubes from other sources.

    I think making your own drugs is a good enough reason to take a weekend lab assistant job or a course at college that gets you access to such equipment.

    Alternatively, you can simply do the first part only, and don’t go for the large scale production part. but you’ll be working with much smaller quantities, and you’ll need to be more careful with you chemistry, (altering ph etc,) or your yeild will be too low)
    **

    If no source of pure Claviceps purpurea (ergot) fungus can be found, it may be necessary to make a field trip to obtain the ergot growths from rye or other cereal grasses. Rye grass is by far the best choice. The ergot will appear as a blackish growth on the tops of the rye where the seeds are and are referred to as “heads of ergot.” From these heads of ergot sprout the Claviceps purpurea fungi. They have long steams with bulbous heads when seen under a strong glass or microscope. It is these that must be removed from the ergot, free from contamination, and used to inoculate the culture media. The need for absolute sterility cannot be overstressed. Consult any elementary text on bacteriology for the correct equipment and procedures.

    Avoid prolonged contact with ergot compounds, as they are poisonous and
    can be fatal.

    Make up a culture medium by combining the following ingredients in about
    500 milliliters of distilled water in a 2 liter, small-neck flask:

    Sucrose …………………………………… 100 grams
    Chick pea meal ……………………………… 50 grams
    Calcium nitrate ………………………………. 1 gram
    Monopotassium phosphate ……………………. 0.25 grams
    Magnesium sulphate ………………………… 0.25 grams
    Potassium chloride ……………………….. 0.125 grams
    Ferrous sulphate heptahydrate ………………. 8.34 milligrams
    Zinc sulphate heptahydrate …………………. 3.44 milligrams

    (all readily available chemicals)

    Add water to make up one liter, adjust pH 4 with ammonia solution and
    citric acid. Sterile by autoclaving.

    Inoculate the sterilized medium with Claviceps purpurea under sterile
    conditions, stopper with sterilized cotton and incubate for two weeks
    periodically testing and maintaining pH 4. After two weeks a surface
    culture will be seen on the medium. Large-scale production of the
    fungus can now begin.

    Obtain several ordinary 1 gallon jugs. Place a two-hole stopper in
    the necks of the jugs. Fit a short (6 inch) glass tube in one hole,
    leaving 2 inches above the stopper. Fit a short rubber tube to this.
    Fill a small (500 milliliter) Erlenmeyer flask with a dilute solution
    of sodium hypochlorite, and extend a glass tube from the rubber tube
    so the end is immersed in the hypochlorite. Fit a long, glass tube in
    the other stopper hole. It must reach near the bottom of the jug and
    have about two inches showing above the stopper. Attach a rubber tube
    to the glass tube as short or as long as desired, and fit a short glass
    tube to the end of the rubber tube. Fill a large, glass tube (1 inch x
    6 inches) with sterile cotton and fit 1-hole stoppers in the ends.
    Fit the small, glass tube in end of the rubber tube into 1 stopper of
    the large tube. Fit another small glass tube in the other stopper.
    A rubber tube is connected to this and attached to a small air pump
    obtained from a tropical fish supply store.You now have a set-up for
    pumping air from the pump, through the cotton filter, down the long
    glass tube in the jug, through the solution to the air space in the top
    of the jug, through the short glass tube, down to the bottom of the
    Erlenmeyer flask and up through the sodium hypochlorite solution into
    the atmosphere. With this aeration equipment you can assure a supply
    of clean air to the Claviceps purpurea fungus while maintaining a
    sterile atmosphere inside the solution.

    Dismantle the aerators. Place all the glass tubes, rubber tubes,
    stoppers and cotton in a paper bag, seal tight with wire staples
    and sterilize in an autoclave.
    Fill the 1-gallon jugs 2/3 to 3/4 full with the culture medium and
    autoclave.

    While these things are being sterilized, homogenize in a blender the
    culture already obtained and use it to inoculate the media in the
    gallon jugs. The blender must be sterile. Everything must be sterile.

    Assemble the aerators. Start the pumps. A slow bubbling in each jug
    will provide enough oxygen to the cultures. A single pump can, of
    course, be connected to several filters.

    Let everything sit a room temperature (25 C) in a fairly dark place
    (never expose ergot alkaloids to bright light – they decompose) for
    a period of ten days.

    After ten days adjust the culture to 1% ethanol using 95% ethanol
    under sterile conditions. Maintain growth for another two weeks.

    After total of 24 days growth period the culture should be considered
    mature. Make the culture acidic with tartaric acid and homogenize in
    a blender for one hour.

    Adjust to pH 9 with ammonium hydroxide and extract with benzene or
    chloroform/iso-butanol mixture.

    Extract again with alcoholic tartaric acid and evaporate in a vacuum
    to dryness. The dry material in the salt (i.e. the tartaric acid salt, the tartrate) of the ergot alkaloids, and is stored in this form because the free basic material is too unstable and decomposes readily in the presence of light, heat, moisture and air.

    To recover the free base for extraction of the amide of synthesis to
    LSD, make the tartrate basic with ammonia to pH 9, extract with chloroform and evaporate in vacuo.

    So there it is. There are groups of people i.e. on myspace and other internet sites who make it this way, and maybe you could get involved with them instead. going to them simply asking for LSD isn’t a good entry. Some knowlege of the process or interest in blotter art etc. is a good way to network.

    good luck.

    thanks man,

    where might I find all these crazy chemicals?

    pointers on obtaining chemicals

    (a lab would have all of these if you have access to one, but well worth the investment if your going into production. They are all useful in other extractions and organic synthesis’s)

    This recipie is a classic spore growth culture and can be obtained with relative ease.

    Sucrose – that be sugar
    Chick pea meal – ground chickpeas
    Following is a list of salts, all found in fertilizers, but in varying quantities. you can buy these ready mixed, just pick a mix with roughly equivilent proporions. This mixture is just to grow your ergot, like a liquid compost, rather than being part of a delicate reaction.

    Calcium nitrate
    Monopotassium phosphate
    Magnesium sulphate
    Potassium chloride
    Ferrous sulphate heptahydrate
    Zinc sulphate heptahydrate

    They can also be easily attained individually as they are not particularly dangerous and have many uses.

    ammonia solution – same as ammonia hydroxide, see below.
    citric acid – lemon juice. pure citric acid from internet and health food shops (but not necessary).
    sodium hypochlorite – commonly in cleaning products. readily availible on net
    tartaric acid- cream of tartar, cooking product, can be put into solution.
    ammonium hydroxide – house hold product. local cleaning supply shop
    chloroform – available on internet. expect to pay $25 for 500ml
    iso-butanol – readily available on organic chemistry synthesis sites. cheap
    i would recommend chloroform/iso-butanol mixture over benzene, as benzene is highly carcinogenic, (unless you have access to a fume cupboard as well.)
    you may cant some universal indicator paper aswell for testing pH, but an electronic pH tester would be more acurate. accuracy effects yield.

    As a final note. If you want to trip and you have no LSD, try Salvia Divinorum. its legal, (except in a couple of states) and using a 10X extract, a water pipe and a butane torch light and holding it in long time (possibly having another bowl straight after if your still in this linear reality), it can make you proper trip, for about 10 mins. (with residual effects lasting 40 or so more mins) its not ment to be recreational though, as it can get a bit deep. alot of peeps give up on this before they give it a good go. it gets better each time you use it, you get further. Theres the same loss of ego and visuals. Its a teaching experience, and people tend to get taken places by some being.

    hope that helps.
    Babylon:weee:

    I’ve done salvia many times before, I actually still have some extract in one of my vials. I don’t think I’m going to smoke any for a while….very strange chemical.

    I would think LSD would be 1000 more enjoyable than salvia, although some people love salvia and others hate it

    have you tried baby woodrose seeds? i ate them for the first time a few of weekends back, had 8 and tripped really quite strongly!

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