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  • a tip for those trying to view the image – as it is a PDF rather than bitmap images you might need to give it some time to download. It only takes a few seconds but the delay may make you think your computer or browser has crashed.

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    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Thanks for providing the tip, General Lighting.

    We found another fentanyl-laced heroin brand! Attaching it as an image file this time– maybe that’ll be easier to view for folks.

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    Ask Sasha is supported by the Washington Heights CORNER Project in New York, NY. I am happy to answer any questions related to drug use, particularly methods to reduce harm when using heroin and cocaine. We also provide free syringes and naloxone in the area and can deliver these resources locally to whoever requests them. Please PM if you have any questions or are interested in our services.

    just had a look at our (only) publically searchable drugs testing lab results here in the UK and there are at least two samples of fetanyl on there and another fentanyl derivative.

    They are both marked up in a way that suggests the purchasers knew what would be in them,.but (I am not an opiate user myself) I am not sure if everyone is aware of how strong this stuff can be and the harm it can cause.

    I’m not sure if Naxolone is available for direct sale to drug users in the UK (even if it is its likely to vary across districts and the 4 countries of the UK) but the rest of advice from America is still valid.

    If you see anyone who is taken ill in UK or Europe then do not hesitate to call 112/999 for the Ambulance. Even if the cops turn up as well (they occasionally do when drugs are involved) the priority is saving peoples lives whilst keeping the health service workers safe rather than trying to arrest people.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    All of this advice applies across the globe, and if you’re in a place in the USA where you can get Naloxone, please get it.

    Fentanyl has been on the rise because of the profit margin although I think most people would just prefer Heroin and would only want Fentanyl if it was disclosed to them.

    UK law has very recently been changed – making it (slightly) easier for those who might need naxolone to get hold of it, although unless they are already at a drugs treatment facility it seems that they only get handed it after they’ve had a close call and ended up in the Ambulance!

    http://www.naloxone.org.uk/index.php/lawpolicy/law/uklaw1

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Classic bureaucracy to only give Naloxone to just people who’ve overdosed. Still at least it is around for those who need and somewhat available. Tons of law enforcement has started carrying it here because they are often some of the first people to get to O.D. victims.

    Actually knew of someone who essentially killed his girlfriend by following the wrong procedures in an overdose… waited to call 911 and tried to perform CPR on someone who was still breathing. Moral of the story is only do drugs with people who’ll do the right thing(s) in a worst case scenario.

    UK has credited USA frontline services for their good practice; and adapted the USA practice to fit in with British and European legislation. Amazingly we seem to be ahead of the rest of Northern Europe in this approach; other than in the areas where supervised injection places are available.

    UK cops are allowed to obtain and keep stocks of naxolone; although who will train them to use it and who pays for it is left for the various law enforcement and health authorities. Relatives, carers and friends are also allowed to obtain and posess it if there is a chance it could save a life.

    What is particularly interesting is the way the rules have been very subtly altered to basically allow non medically trained citizens to keep stocks of a Prescription Onl y Medicine to treat others with in emergency; without risk of them being held liable for diversion or any other crimes (although any “black market” for naxolone in Europe (there is evidence of one) clearly appears to be secondary to the primary demand for opiates.

    It is the first time I have ever seen a change to UK legislation/healthcare policies like this happen in my lifetime, especially under a Conservative government.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    The only black market for Naloxone would still be people trying to use it for good purposes, just they’d have to had been shut out of the legal channels. Shit isn’t a recreational drug.

    Moral of the story is only do drugs with people who’ll do the right thing(s) in a worst case scenario.

    That’s so real. The majority of opioid-related overdoses happen in the company of others and are seldom instantaneous, which means there would be adequate time to intervene. But because folks fear prosecution due to their own involvement in illegal activity, whether it be from their friend’s potential death or their own use, they may not call for help. I know there was a study published in 2005 by the New York Academy of Medicine that found “fear of police response” was the most commonly cited reason for both delaying or failing to get help. Which is understandable, but as you all have mentioned, there is no room for hesitation when a life is at stake. If anyone wants to read the study, I’ve attached it because I’m a nerd and have these things on file still.

    Good Samaritan laws are supposed to combat this, but even in some of those cases, there are still limitations and harsh strike systems. In the state of Ohio, for instance, immunity is only good for two overdoses and not available for people on parole. Also medical professionals can share the personal info of the OD’d person with law enforcement for further investigation and follow-up. It’s almost as if they drew up the bill and then were like, “nah, let’s just take out everything that actually has to do with the Good Samaritan concept.”

    And it’s ridiculous that naloxone is so restricted in the UK. As an opioid antagonist, its only pharmacological action is to reverse opioid agonists (aka all of the opioids– heroin, fentanyl, oxy, etc). There is absolutely no way folks can even get high off of it. It’s simple to use (both the intranasal and intramuscular versions– one company here even makes them with vocal instructions now, although that one is mad expensive), and administration won’t negatively affect someone who doesn’t have opioids in their system. I really don’t know how the drug could be any safer.

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    Ask Sasha is supported by the Washington Heights CORNER Project in New York, NY. I am happy to answer any questions related to drug use, particularly methods to reduce harm when using heroin and cocaine. We also provide free syringes and naloxone in the area and can deliver these resources locally to whoever requests them. Please PM if you have any questions or are interested in our services.


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    All of this advice applies across the globe, and if you’re in a place in the USA where you can get Naloxone, please get it.

    Fentanyl has been on the rise because of the profit margin although I think most people would just prefer Heroin and would only want Fentanyl if it was disclosed to them.

    I nearly killed the doctor (ess????) , a doctor woman in the hospital when they operate me 2015 and took 4 rips away from me. I was perfectly without pain with the oxycodone, until she changed it to Targin which is a medicine composed of oxycodone and naloxone.
    The problem with naloxone is that it is antagonist to methadon, and when i waked up the next day i had the surprise to be totally (how u say in english, Turkey, ah i get it SICK)

    With the help of Google Traduction, This is a little part of the swiss medical compedium, regrouping all drugs (medicine) explaining a bit that antagonist effect.

    The full link is : http://compendium.ch/mpro/mnr/21064/html/fr#7300

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    Naloxone and Methadone don’t mix well.

    Moral of the story is only do drugs with people who’ll do the right thing(s) in a worst case scenario.

    Good Samaritan laws are supposed to combat this, but even in some of those cases, there are still limitations and harsh strike systems. In the state of Ohio, for instance, immunity is only good for two overdoses and not available for people on parole. Also medical professionals can share the personal info of the OD’d person with law enforcement for further investigation and follow-up. It’s almost as if they drew up the bill and then were like, “nah, let’s just take out everything that actually has to do with the Good Samaritan concept.”

    And it’s ridiculous that naloxone is so restricted in the UK. As an opioid antagonist, its only pharmacological action is to reverse opioid agonists (aka all of the opioids– heroin, fentanyl, oxy, etc). There is absolutely no way folks can even get high off of it. It’s simple to use (both the intranasal and intramuscular versions– one company here even makes them with vocal instructions now, although that one is mad expensive), and administration won’t negatively affect someone who doesn’t have opioids in their system. I really don’t know how the drug could be any safer.

    Out of the whole or Europe, only FI, DE and IE have Good Samaritan laws, in fact in DE it is illegal not to help someone who is in distress. But that can also include just calling 112 (equivalent of 999/911) and leaving things to the blue light services.

    In my country (UK) there are occasions where if an Emergency Ambulance is called out to attend to suspected drugs users to certain areas (such as night time/music venues or urban housing estates (you may call these “projects” in USA) Police might turn up as well.

    This varies from area to area, depends on the availability of both services (NHS do not delay the ambulance whilst waiting for cops) and does not happen every time. In UK calls to 999/112 are first answered by the telephone company (British Telecom + some others) and then passed on to the individual emergency service, they do not all go to the Police like in some other countries.

    The Control Room can be set up so when the Ambulance unit is despatched that a separate callout is made for Police backup automatically for “high risk areas”. The paramedic crew can at any time also use their new digital radio equipment to contact the Police (some modern systems automatically send the GPS location of the Ambulance to the control room).

    This tech is available in most European countries, I’m not sure how common it is for Ambulance and Police to turn up together outside the UK. However many European cops say that people should not be frightened to call 999/112 as provided the Ambulance crews are not being put in any danger they will leave them and the patients to do their work in peace.

    To be fair the UK’s new approach to Naxolone is one of the most progressive in Europe (mainland Europe, even countries with supposedly more liberal attitudes like NL) still keeps it as a prescription only medicine) and previous UK laws were no different to existing global healthcare policies about classification of drugs.

    Because the UK is 4 countries in one and each one has its own NHS, British healthcare policies are often more complex than they may seem at first glance and can look more restrictive than they actually are!

    What some countries (which also have British style public healthcare systems) are also doing is to move some preparations of Naxolone from “POM” prescription only category to “P” (supervised pharmacy sales) – which makes perfect sense.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    All of this advice applies across the globe, and if you’re in a place in the USA where you can get Naloxone, please get it.

    Fentanyl has been on the rise because of the profit margin although I think most people would just prefer Heroin and would only want Fentanyl if it was disclosed to them.

    I nearly killed the doctor (ess????) , a doctor woman in the hospital when they operate me 2015 and took 4 rips away from me. I was perfectly without pain with the oxycodone, until she changed it to Targin which is a medicine composed of oxycodone and naloxone.
    The problem with naloxone is that it is antagonist to methadon, and when i waked up the next day i had the surprise to be totally (how u say in english, Turkey, ah i get it SICK)

    With the help of Google Traduction, This is a little part of the swiss medical compedium, regrouping all drugs (medicine) explaining a bit that antagonist effect.

    The full link is : http://compendium.ch/mpro/mnr/21064/html/fr#7300

    Surely that is a very bad mistake by the doctor and health service and against the human rights laws?

    I would have thought the hospital must surely know you are an existing opiate user with a prescription for methadone – and that changing the medications like this would be unpleasant? Having never had it I do not know if opiate withdrawal can be life threatening or if it is merely very unpleasant (I expect that depends on the users wider state of health) but it seems very risky to cause it to happen in a patient who is already undergoing major surgery ; even if they are relatively young.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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