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October 20, 2007 at 4:48 pm

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DiscoTeam

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erm i was just wondering, should people take hallucinagenic drugs if they suffer from paranoia.

ive had hallucinations, open eye and closed eye from using ecstasy is that heard of? was massive doses.

the hallucinations ive had one was dreadful, i was seeing people from my past kind of dead but it was a valuable experience the others, closed eye, just colours and patterns, ive also smoked agarics.

any views on heavier hallucinagenics?

should i use them if i go into it with the right state and frame of mind, try to be less reactionary and just chill and experience?

would my paranoia play a big part?

thanks for any thing anyone can offer me in the way of advice.

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October 20, 2007 at 6:56 pm

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process

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how severe is your paranoia? do you suffer from it all the time or just when you have taken drugs? Eithier way its probably not a good idea. I used to be paranoid when i smoked weed, but i knew i was being if you knwo what i mean, so i could just sort of ignore that little internal voice and get on with things. After i stopped smoking weed tho, that little voice of doubt or paranoia just disappered which meant i didnt have to concentrate on ignoring it, sounds a bit wierd, basically i felt a lot beter not smoking weed. If the paranois brought on by drugs, then why do them cause being paranoids not that enjoyable. If you still wanna do em tho, get some valium that will wipe out any paranoia, i always have some just in case a trip turns sour. About the mdma, ive tripped out on it before, not really visual, but just thinking that im somewhere else to where i actually am. I reckon take a small amount, then if you feel paranoid, dont have anymore and at least it wont last very long.

not sure if that really helps, good luck anyway.
October 20, 2007 at 8:00 pm

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Raj

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I personally would recommend avoiding the hallucinogenics if you suffer from paranoia already [if you had an experienced counsellor who works with hallucinogens to do them with it could be helpful potentially but they would have to very good at what they do – there arent many of these people about]

So many of the hallucinogenics give you paranoia as a side effect at some point in the process that you might end up in a mental ward as has happened to a couple of people I know who didnt heed this advice.
October 20, 2007 at 8:05 pm

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process

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Raj wrote:

I personally would recommend avoiding the hallucinogenics if you suffer from paranoia already [if you had an experienced counsellor who works with hallucinogens to do them with it could be helpful potentially but they would have to very good at what they do – there arent many of these people about]

So many of the hallucinogenics give you paranoia as a side effect at some point in the process that you might end up in a mental ward as has happened to a couple of people I know who didnt heed this advice.

what you said..
October 20, 2007 at 8:08 pm

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DiscoTeam

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hmmm i dont get paranoid on drugs, i used to be severely paranoid, thinking there were people watching me etc, but its kind of dying off now, just mild paranoid spurts now and again.

on drugs i just tend to experience the drug, and what the drug is doing to me, thinking logically about the processes, then being taken over by it and loving it.

i know that mental issues like paranoia can be worsesend by the use of psychoactive drugs and stimulants but i feel mentally capable of dealing with the effects, even though i havent had experience of the effects personally.
i dont want this to sound like im ignoring your advice, so please keep it coming, im taking it all on board.

thanks x
October 20, 2007 at 8:30 pm

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process

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DiscoTeam wrote:

i used to be severely paranoid, thinking there were people watching me etc, but its kind of dying off now, just mild paranoid spurts now and again.

maybe taking acid or whatever might bring it back tho, is it worth the risk? if you dont mind me asking how bad did your paranoia get? i only ask cause i know someone who used to really love his hallucinogens, but sverely lost it on them. Having to get sectioned etc after believing the governmet was after him.. and now even after all that he still takes some drugs when he knows he shouldnt. What im saying is a little bit of paranoia everybody has, but stuff with conspiracies theories and voices in the head is something probably not to be messed with. Some people are never the same after even one time takin hallucinagens.
October 20, 2007 at 8:31 pm

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process

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i may not be the right personto be giving advice at the moment tho..:wink:
October 20, 2007 at 8:37 pm

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DiscoTeam

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lol and why would that be process? :weee:

hmm the worst paranoid ‘trip’ experience, i heard voices calling me into a wood. but that was at a time of major unrest and instability in my life and thinking processes.

i obviously wouldnt like to be sectioned.

ive smoked fly agarics, didnt really do much apart from induce some feelings euphoria. i know psychcedelics are not to be underestimated.

hmmmm decisions.

the thing is i am a great believer in self exploration and feel that a part of self exploration is experimentation, seeing how your body reacts to different situations or states of mind and for me drugs platy a part in that. hmmmmmm
October 20, 2007 at 8:41 pm

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Raj

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if you decide to do them anyway then make sure you do it in a safe enviroment and with an experienced person to keep an eye on you
October 20, 2007 at 8:45 pm

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DiscoTeam

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thanks for the advice raj, if i decide to do them im going to make sure im comfortable and supervised. 🙂
what have your experiences been like, my father is very knowledgable on the subject and was saying that acid now days is not even a touch on the potency it used to be in the 60’s and 70’s so maybe a hit or two wouldnt be too servere and trippy.
October 20, 2007 at 9:22 pm

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process

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DiscoTeam wrote:

my father is very knowledgable on the subject and was saying that acid now days is not even a touch on the potency it used to be in the 60’s and 70’s so maybe a hit or two wouldnt be too servere and trippy.

You can add but you cant take away! You can still get some quite strong acid, i found some hoffmans at a party not long ago. The best bet is to assume they are strong rather than the other way round. As for why my advice may be slightly shoddy, see my poll question… how was the fly.a when u smoked it, it doesnt seem to be doing much to me at the mo…
October 20, 2007 at 10:01 pm

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globalloon

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i went through a major paranoid psychosis for about 2 years, many years ago. it was a miserable time of my life, that should have been a great time of my life, caused by over-use of amfet

i very rarely touch acid now, although i have a personal affinity with shrooms, as a shroom trip was part of the catalyst that got my sorted again

i am more centred now than if i had never taken these substances, i think. i only ever use

even if you have close friends you can trust with you, it’s no guarantee that they will be able to help. the mind is a powerful thing.

i managed to pull back and grow stronger in myself. other friends lives are right-offs as a result of using acid with a fragile mind

don’t push yourself for the sake of a night of fun. if you need to ask for advice on the internet, i would say; steer clear… watching your mates trip out can be more ‘fun’ than doing it yourself
October 20, 2007 at 10:16 pm

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process

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globalloon wrote:

i very rarely touch acid now, although i have a personal affinity with shrooms, as a shroom trip was part of the catalyst that got my sorted again

I think i read somewhere about how dmt or catus or something has been used to treat alchol and drug addiction in south america. Cant remeber the exact details, or links, but im sure they can sometimes sort of change they way you think for the better. (if its with the right person, in the right setting etc..)
October 20, 2007 at 10:21 pm

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tarifa

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there’s no sure fire thing any way you look at it

drugs helped me be the person i am today (for which i am thankful) but it was a close call

no-one can say who’ll get broke an who’ll get thru

rule of thumb is don’t do it unless you ant to but even that is no guarantee
October 20, 2007 at 10:48 pm

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globalloon

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djprocess wrote:

I think i read somewhere about how dmt or catus or something has been used to treat alchol and drug addiction in south america. Cant remeber the exact details, or links, but im sure they can sometimes sort of change they way you think for the better. (if its with the right person, in the right setting etc..)

some shamans are taking in hollywood fuck ups and curing them of their prescriptions for a massive fee :laugh_at:

psychoactive substances have been used for millennia to bring individuals round to a view of life that is positive and true
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