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  • It was always like that in the UK since 1980s when the British Telecom, GCHQ, DTI (Communications Ministry like Bakom) could always see this info anyway and in early 1990s they also did it (which is why I got caught at University simply using the Intternet to get to info.cern.ch via Deutsche Telekom).

    Then since mid-late 1990s Ericsson (as well as Plessey/Marconi etc) built all the datagathering into their telephone exchanges and Internet routers, Nokia Siemens, Cisco and Huawei have the capability as well. These companies make nearly all the equipment used worldwide to connect to the Internet.

    It is also possible and always has been for any business grade router to “spy” on all the end users and show what sites they are going to and where the data is going (although not usually to decrypt anything with HTTPS).

    Network engineers also do this to make sure things are working correctly; I had to do it just last week as my employers wanted the accounts software installed on a PC where there is an intermittent satellite link and 2 ADSL connections so I have to make sure the data only goes through one connection (or the database server thinks it is being accessed by 3 different IPs at once and reports a security error)

    So it has always been possible; but often the network engineers do not want to work directly with cops or govt agencies, so many of them say “the data logging is not always working” (it often needs to be turned on manually, and will slow down the networking equipment and needs storage) and/or “what you will see is very complicated and you can’t prove everything with it”. And that is the honest truth, even if the info is there.

    When you call up one website a 100 others can appear in the list because of links to social media sharing buttons, adverts etc.

    What the law is trying to do is make the ISPs / telecoms companies pay with their own money for both the spying infrastructure and the admin staff to present it in a form useful to govt staff who are not computer experts; the tech companies are protesting against it because it costs them money (more than they would make from government contracts for big broadband connections) so implementation won’t be that straightforward.

    Even so all network connections to and from UK are to some extent monitored and they have been for decades if not centuries when London was the hub of international telegraph circuits and we still had the PTT (Post Office Telecommunications) that was a direct part of the Goverment.

    TBH it happens in all other countries as well; just in various different forms. In reality the UK was doing all this stuff for years beforehand without openly admitting it but then got taken to Court on European human rights laws so has had to admit to it. Because half of UK people voted for Brexit and are paranoid about “terrorists” the UK govt now feels bold enough to openly state it will continue with the surveillance.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    DE govt is also trying something similar (these folk are protesting against it)

    Verfassungsbeschwerde: 30.000 Bürger wehren sich gegen die Vorratsdatenspeicherung | heise online

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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    @General Lighting 987126 wrote:

    DE govt is also trying something similar (these folk are protesting against it)

    Verfassungsbeschwerde: 30.000 Bürger wehren sich gegen die Vorratsdatenspeicherung | heise online

    why is that necessary that serrvers store informations on which site someone go, i thought the bits forming a page are just sent to my wifi provider which send me the datas to my PC without storing something.
    My PC is then storing my history. WTF has my provider the right to store those datas?

    @iliesse 987131 wrote:

    why is that necessary that serrvers store informations on which site someone go, i thought the bits forming a page are just sent to my wifi provider which send me the datas to my PC without storing something.
    My PC is then storing my history. WTF has my provider the right to store those datas?

    its partly a leftover from the days when telephone calls were charged by duration/destination (most internet providers are still linked to the company which used to be the national PTT and/or use their resources); but what also happens is most small ISPs have to get their resources by a big company (usually the old PTT) and they are charged in bulk for the total data used by all their users, so they have to monitor this to stop users going over the data limits for their package.

    They also monitor to check their network is operating correctly and if someone complains that they cannot access sites/get routing faults and much of this data logging is fully automated. The big routers in the Telephone Exchange certainly can store a few weeks/months of user logs and have been able to do so for about 20 years.

    As for the legal rights of the end users, these are set by each country’s data protection authority.

    Some ISPs (especially American ones) have even been found to be storing some data to share with advertisers in return for “reduced” monthly fees, there is one where the charges go to $100 per month if you opt out of this monitoring (which is very difficult to do).

    TBH just about every ISP (and the fixed phone and mobiile company) has buried in its contract wording that if you use their resources for anything that is seriously illegal they do not breach your privacy rights by handing over info to the authorities.

    This is an article about what goes on in the world – bear in mind though there is often plenty the cops/feds could or do see but turn a blind eye to. I’ve been told several times over 30 years by folk who actually work for the surveillance units they do not bother with anyone discussing small amounts of party drugs use, they only want to nick dealers who are linked with violent crime or funding extremism of any kind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_data_retention

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    more info (in German) about country specific surveiilance in CH: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet%C3%BCberwachung_in_der_Schweiz

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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