Party Vibe

TBH I’ve had the same effects after taking stims especially during the late 90s-mid 2000s when pot in England became stronger, but as like most Europeans we only usually had access to street amfetamines and it was usually at the end of a heavy party weekend just put this down to “overdoing things”.

In England it is now bloody difficult to get legally prescribed any stimulant for adult ADHD, (it can be done but isn’t officially authorised and doctors who do so risk extra inveatigations/monitoring) – methylphenidate is occasionally prescribed to teenagers up to about age 19 but then tapered off as they reach adulthood even though ADHD doesn’t magically “go away”; then the health authorities wonder why these young adults have mental health issues and often wrongly blame it on the drugs….

@Shakyamuni 985269 wrote:

Adderall is great for ADD/ADHD. I wonder why the prescribing is so different from place to place?

bizzarely the lead health authority for European treatment of adult ADHD is shown as “UK” (although the papers are all from doctors and profs in Scotland) – it does advocate pharm treatment but all the stims are “not licensed” for adult treatment – they can still be prescribed but the healthcare professionals involved have to do more work and are put under more scrutiny. I’ve checked some papers in EN and DE and the Germans also try to only use pharm treatments as a last resort.

In the UK the one med for adult ADHD which is licensed is some stuff called Atomoxetine which I hadn’t heard of before and is called an MRI – it has some warning about increased suicide risks; frankly it sounds quite unpleasant and clearly only indicated here due to the lessened risk of diversion compared with other stims (this is even mentioned in many articles about treatment).

@Shakyamuni 985272 wrote:

The trade name of Atomoxetine is Strattera, it blocks norepinephrine; it is worse at treating ADHD/ADD compared to amphetamines as far as I know but you can’t abuse it. Looking at the side effect profile including suicidal thoughts and the limited efficacy compared to standard stimulants and I think I would just stay untreated if I was an adult with ADHD in the UK.

There is a major problem in England (Scotland, Wales and NI have also are part of the NHS but have their own individual management and treatment régimes) about negative attitudes towards teens and young adults as a whole (even healthy ones) – those with mental or chronic physical health problems are often judged as simply being ill-behaved or malingering, even by peers of their own age. Shortcomings in education and youth services make this worse.

This causes a great backlash against young patients being prescribed anything that could make their lives more enjoyable than other “more deserving people” who “do a full days work”; especially if there is the slightest suspicion of diversion.

There is some truth that letting everyone have the amfetamines etc (irrespective of any diagnosis) could in the short term increase the populations productivity as a whole which is what USA appears to be doing in some states and Europe used to do; but it does create medium to long term problems for the health services which is why it got stopped

In Europe we have some form of nationalised health care in every country and research is freely shared by teaching hospitals in English, German or French (+ the local languages) which is clearly beneficial to the whole World but it also means that “bad news” travels fast.