Please those who have a (negative) moral emotional reaction to the subject matter don’t bother replying. I don’t want to get into my ethics here.
I have been living happily on government benefits for almost a year now claiming JSA and housing benefit.
I have to have another interview soon which I believe is my third ‘restart’ interview. I have had a suspicion for a while in the back of my mind that one day they will want me to go into ‘compulsory’ schemes to begin encouraging me more sternly back to work. Others say this either never comes or the schemes are a breeze anyhow. I still haven’t received or found any definitive information regarding this. What are other’s experience on this who have been on JSA for a year or more? Is there any increasing pressure to get you back to work or can I continue this cycle indefinitely without them escalating (at least significantly) in their pressure for me finding a job?
I can almost live on housing benefit alone as I live very frugally, but it’s mainly that I have to claim JSA to keep being entitled to HB as they need to see the viable source of my low income.
I have also been reading up on the hardship provision and have heard several homeless looking fellows (not judging just saying) asking for it in the past in my local Job Seekers office. I have only read the same rhetoric online about who is entitled to this- those unwilling or unable to work for whatever reason, but no literature on how it is paid. As I can (almost) live of HB alone then claiming hardship fund may be an alternative to JSA should my circumstances change. My main query is how is it paid and do I have to go in and sign up periodically as with the JSA or is it just transfered straight into my account? Presumably I won’t have to do the actively seeking work farce with hardship provision as that is not one of the criteria for hardship fund. So anyone who has info on this also please give me a heads up.
Thanks.
Your point about taxes is at best a weak one, mis-informed and at worst completely bigoted. We all pay taxes (e.g. cigarettes, alchohol, VAT). Do you even have any figures what amount of your (income) taxes goes on benefits as opposed to other things (I will put money on it that you cannot quote even one single credible statistic here). So what gives you the right to judge based on ignorance?
Your point is weaker. As a member of society you agree to pay taxes. I agree to give money to the NHS to heal people whatever their income, and I agree to give money to the unemployed when they are struggling to find work.
Job seekers allowance is job seekers allowance, not can’t be arsed to get a job allowance.
@ellie 334469 wrote:
Your point is weaker. As a member of society you agree to pay taxes. I agree to give money to the NHS to heal people whatever their income, and I agree to give money to the unemployed when they are struggling to find work.
Job seekers allowance is job seekers allowance, not can’t be arsed to get a job allowance.
This is an example of ‘societies all purpose rhetoric’. As I previously said, there are few things more completely full of shit (I am educated to PhD).
educated to phd in titheadedness?
You can still buy PhD’s online? :p
so you mean my taxes on education are also wasted? (that is a joke!)
btw…i didnt mention above… i dont care if my fag, booze or work taxes are spent on his jobseekers – it still pisses me off
why would people want/choose to live solely off benefits? ive done it and it was shit, boring and after a while i felt like my brain was rotting. Saying that though that is exactly how i feel at my current job, :hopeless: but at least it pays slightly better.
@djprocess 334478 wrote:
why would people want/choose to live solely off benefits? ive done it and it was shit, boring and after a while i felt like my brain was rotting. Saying that though that is exactly how i feel at my current job, :hopeless: but at least it pays slightly better.
The question of why is a theoretical one related to the costs and benefits of working.
The benefit of the work is clearly what income one gets from it, but then there is the time cost (what else you could be doing with your time). If you say that you can get about 100 quid pw on benefits and about 200 quid pw on minimum wage, then really thats an extra 100 quid for an extra 40 hours a week plus you have to pay taxes (2.5 per hour).
Maybe there are people out there who do not want be in a dead-end hampster wheel job being screwed for someone elses benefit.
Other than that, look at the hippies in the 60s, maybe the roots of the free party scence…
The benefit of the work is clearly what income one gets from it, but then there is the time cost (what else you could be doing with your time). If you say that you can get about 100 quid pw on benefits and about 200 quid pw on minimum wage, then really thats an extra 100 quid for an extra 40 hours a week plus you have to pay taxes (2.5 per hour).
Maybe there are people out there who do not want be in a dead-end hampster wheel job being screwed for someone elses benefit.
Other than that, look at the hippies in the 60s, maybe the roots of the free party scence…
But you dont have to work on minimum wage (people can chose to educate themselves/find a better job) and that is rather a selfish viewpoint is it not? tis certainly a complex argument, interestin though
just a thought – in the same way people are wary about giving out details of free parties or how to get illegal or “semi-legal” drugs, how do we know whether the OP is legit or not?
first post, without a word of introduction, asking how to do a controversial if not potentially illegal activity…
a thread like this on a high profile public forum would be a perfect way for an ambitious Civil Servant to gather intelligence on “potential benefit fraud methods associated with the unlicensed rave scene / illegal drugs culture”….
Phil, please answer the above question.
first post, without a word of introduction, asking how to do a controversial if not potentially illegal activity…
a thread like this on a high profile public forum would be a perfect way for an ambitious Civil Servant to gather intelligence on “potential benefit fraud methods associated with the unlicensed rave scene / illegal drugs culture”….
Surly there would be better ways to gather information than to spend large ammounts of time asking people on random forums who never give a strait awnser? Then again I do wounder…
When I had some bad paranoia sum time ago I thought it was quite possible that the whole of PV was just a data gathering site for the rozzers…weriod times! (I do not think this now im sain again it must be said lol)
@photographthesun 334483 wrote:
But you dont have to work on minimum wage (people can chose to educate themselves/find a better job) and that is rather a selfish viewpoint is it not? tis certainly a complex argument, interestin though
Individual rationality is the bread and butter of economics. One point of view (not really mine) is that it is only through people being individually rational that markets bring about socially optimal results. In other words, personal greed is good and you help society by helping yourself…..
we’ve had people try this before to get info on raves…
even if the OP is legit, as I said earlier all it would take is for one lurker to copy and paste all the posts of any methods discussed and send them up to the DWP ….
there are a fuckload of “cyber vigilantés” around these days. It always pays to be paranoid – not too paranoid – but guarded about what you discuss on line.
places like Facebook are far better for this purpose as the admins there will instantly collaborate with law enforcement (without making a big noise about it like a more “right on” site would) to keep their commercial businesses running smoothly…
Even on friendly sites like this it still makes sense to be careful about what you post. “Free speech” always has a cost.
hmmm, I dont think that takes into accunt mass benefit theift though really does it..
Doesn’t bother me if you have a job or not PhilK but don’t expect to be supported by the state when from what I have read you can’t be bothered to get off your ass and earn a crust…. As you asked ellie “what give you the right too pass judgement”??? The fact that were working gives us the right, its our bloody money going to you!!!
I’ve been unemployed for periods of time & don’t like it, admit i don’t like takin’ orders from anyone either but its a means to an end!!!
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