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  • @tryptameanie 986897 wrote:

    I understand what you’re saying but i think we have crossed meanings. While many years ago there may have been less extra shit in pills, containing only MDMA does not make it pure. Batch impurities etc. creep in and only with time and refinement does the quality/purity improve.
    People buy crystal MDMA as it’s supposed tio be pure but it obviously isn’t…….

    TBH pills in early 90s contained not just MDMA but some MDA and amfetamines – interestingly all the recent research does not mention if these “extras” remain in todays pills; although the feedback from Dutch users some of whom are even moving towards 4-FA hints that they do not and it is just MDMA in these.

    I would certainly expect that the purity of all these substances has improved as chemists surely have access to much better equipment than previously – in the same way computers have improved loads over 20 years and with electronics I can easily afford test equipment such as oscilloscopes and digital meters that were way out of my price range in the late 80s/early 90s!

    What is happening now is almost like UK Power Networks or Northern Powergrid upgrading an industrial three phase power supply from 230/400V to 400/690V without warning them first, or providing an incoming supply with any of these voltages present and nothing correctly labelled.

    In some cases the higher voltage is useful as it can run stronger motors more efficiently, but if you connect 690V to equipment and wiring only designed 400V or 230V; it is very likely to flash over and for things to start on fire. And the people in the building might only want to run a large dishwasher (400V) rather than heavy metalworking equipment (690V) …

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Interesting you mention 4-FA, recently got some 2-FMA…….

    they call 4-FA “xtc-lite” in NL, some users prefer it as they can still talk/socialise more than they would on heavy dose MDMA (it is not directly as stimulating as folk might realise, this was the reason why “old skool” pills contained small amounts of amfetamine in them).

    With 4-FA (not seen anything about 2-FMA yet) Trimbos warns the risks were initially understated and to beware of increasing headaches after taking it as they can indicate more dangerous health problems, they also cite an increase in blue light admissions to hospital EDs from the use of it.

    https://www.trimbos.nl/actueel/nieuws/bericht/?bericht=2107

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 986901 wrote:

    they call 4-FA “xtc-lite” in NL, some users prefer it as they can still talk/socialise more than they would on heavy dose MDMA (it is not directly as stimulating as folk might realise, this was the reason why “old skool” pills contained small amounts of amfetamine in them).

    With 4-FA (not seen anything about 2-FMA yet) Trimbos warns the risks were initially understated and to beware of increasing headaches after taking it as they can indicate more dangerous health problems, they also cite an increase in blue light admissions to hospital EDs from the use of it.

    https://www.trimbos.nl/actueel/nieuws/bericht/?bericht=2107

    4-FA is overrated imo and is caustic as fuck on the nose. Orally not so bad but tbh, straight amphetamine would be a better choice.

    its also class A in Blighty and has been since 1977 (even before MDMA), I guess 2-FMA is only mildly restricted by PSA and perhaps less harsh on the insides (can’t remember if I ever tried it so don’t really know for sure)

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Well, my guess is 2-FMA is just as illegal and has been for a fucking long time. Idk the reasons different compounds attack the nose differently, with 4-FA it was something I’ve read of and I experienced. 2-FMA for some reason feels much easier on the nose. Aldo, it’s very functional, it’s not like some slightly more or less potent form of methamphetamine, it’s a serious functional stim. It definitely has an impact but very mild, even at slightly hibgher doses, but doesn’t have the tweakiness and crap that comes from a powerful amphetamine.

    Also, the fifference between snorting a line of 2-FA and 4-FA is very noticeably different. There should be no real difference in the molecule other than the F is at the 2 and 4 position respectively but the actual difference i effect, and how much it hurts and destroys your nose is massive.

    legal status of 2-FMA (in UK) is very unclear, checked about 3 different sources and have seen everything from no info, claims it is class A to others that it is now controlled under PSA (the last being most likely).

    It did get put on the controlled list in CN with many others in October 2015 although not after being tolerated for years – what I did also notice just before were reports in English language Chinese news sites about concerns over binge usage and health problems amongst young Chinese.

    Bear in mind CN has very strong control of its media and could have chosen not to report any these relatively minor incidents at all.

    What that hints at is those EU countries that do not introduce their own domestic rules have essentially delegated this task to Beijing, and more surreally the Chinese are not simply banning everything in sight (as they are smart enough to realise that could be an impossible task) but using some form of evidence based asssessment before they control substances (making them more democratic than the UK!)

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 986909 wrote:

    legal status of 2-FMA (in UK) is very unclear, checked about 3 different sources and have seen everything from no info, claims it is class A to others that it is now controlled under PSA (the last being most likely).

    It did get put on the controlled list in CN with many others in October 2015 although not after being tolerated for years – what I did also notice just before were reports in English language Chinese news sites about concerns over binge usage and health problems amongst young Chinese.

    Bear in mind CN has very strong control of its media and could have chosen not to report any these relatively minor incidents at all.

    What that hints at is those EU countries that do not introduce their own domestic rules have essentially delegated this task to Beijing, and more surreally the Chinese are not simply banning everything in sight (as they are smart enough to realise that could be an impossible task) but using some form of evidence based asssessment before they control substances (making them more democratic than the UK!)

    My guess is that it is class A due to being caught up in the phenethylaminre act where everything in PIHKAL was banned plus as many analogues as could be imagined.

    As for the last part about the Chinese banning everything in sight, apart from that one list where 120 compounds were baqnned, I see no evidence at ll for what you sort of suggested.

    I have a very different perception ofthe Chinese and it’s not one of banning things, not when it’s for export.

    @tryptameanie 986910 wrote:

    My guess is that it is class A due to being caught up in the phenethylaminre act where everything in PIHKAL was banned plus as many analogues as could be imagined.

    I’d seen 4-FA listed as Class A but not 2-FMA although the above explanation makes sense.

    Although even the independent sites give conflicting info and mix up the 1977 Misuse of Drugs Act amendments (that covered the first few halogenated amfetamines) with more recent ones from about 2002-3(?) onwards, enforced by (I think) 2005.

    I remember just before then loads of friends in SE England getting considerable amounts of 2-C* type substances via Canada (where they were unrestricted), until predictably people started taking the piss with them/letting underage teenagers buy them via headshops and doors started being knocked.

    It certainly wouldn’t have been possible for the UK Home Office to ban stuff from PIHKAL in 1977, as it wasn’t published until 1991!

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @tryptameanie 986911 wrote:

    As for the last part about the Chinese banning everything in sight, apart from that one list where 120 compounds were baqnned, I see no evidence at ll for what you sort of suggested.

    I have a very different perception ofthe Chinese and it’s not one of banning things, not when it’s for export.

    I think we are talking about the same thing.

    What I was pointing out is how many things are not banned in CN; and that the list of 120 has only happened because the Chinese kids were getting ill and for the same reasons that European nations might control substances. In other words the Chinese are essentially adopting European standards with regard to drugs control and harm reduction, even if they aren’t shouting too loudly about this!

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 986912 wrote:

    I’d seen 4-FA listed as Class A but not 2-FMA although the above explanation makes sense.

    Although even the independent sites give conflicting info and mix up the 1977 Misuse of Drugs Act amendments (that covered the first few halogenated amfetamines) with more recent ones from about 2002-3(?) onwards, enforced by (I think) 2005.

    I remember just before then loads of friends in SE England getting considerable amounts of 2-C* type substances via Canada (where they were unrestricted), until predictably people started taking the piss with them/letting underage teenagers buy them via headshops and doors started being knocked.

    It certainly wouldn’t have been possible for the UK Home Office to ban stuff from PIHKAL in 1977, as it wasn’t published until 1991!

    It would not surprise me at all if had I ever been caught with 2-FMA, the police themselves wouldn’t know what to do.

    @General Lighting 986913 wrote:

    I think we are talking about the same thing.

    What I was pointing out is how many things are not banned in CN; and that the list of 120 has only happened because the Chinese kids were getting ill and for the same reasons that European nations might control substances. In other words the Chinese are essentially adopting European standards with regard to drugs control and harm reduction, even if they aren’t shouting too loudly about this!

    I really have no idea why the China ban happened but looking at the compounds that were banned, I have a hard time believing that Chinese youth suddenly had a problem with some very exotic and designed compounds.

    @tryptameanie 986915 wrote:

    I really have no idea why the China ban happened but looking at the compounds that were banned, I have a hard time believing that Chinese youth suddenly had a problem with some very exotic and designed compounds.

    The list wasn’t just picked out at random, and unusually for domestic Chinese legislation was published in English as well as Chinese. There were a load of cathinones amongst them as well as more obscure stuff.

    I was also seperately told by work colleagues from PH that Chinese dealers of NPS and party drugs were causing angst there especially in the middle class districts, and the “Gangnam style” phenomenon was subtly mocking the party lifestyle of kids in KR, added to which there was concern in MY and SG about NPS.

    Also what country do you think most of the spammers that used to infest here until around end 2015 mostly came from? 😉

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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