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  • various folk from across the world have tweeted that article – ironically its a case where the MP’s are for once making more sense than the journos!

    It wildly conflates legalisation and decriminalisation (two different things, especially if you want to look correctly at what goes on in NL and PT) and the Independent are taking part credit for this but aren’t saying much about their massive u-turn in mid 2000s when they published loads of scare stories about skunk and mental illness, causing the Guardian to follow suit (of course the rightwing press were already doing that) and spreading FUD amongst in particular middle class left leaning parents, and even many younger people.

    That said legalisation/decrim really can’t be any worse to the UK than tobacco and alcohol and there is also the tax revenue that would be available.

    Incidentally NL doesn’t get any tax revenue because it doesn’t have full legalisation, only decrim so can’t tax coffeeshops for anything other than the coffee and munchies they sell – this anomaly and refusal to go further (which leads to there still being a criminal element controlling production) has been called out by the Piratenpartij there who want full acceptance of a legal market, as do campaigners in Denmark.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Yes I did notice the article says it’s legal in NL and Portugal although I know for a fact it isn’t. It is sad when those who are calling for chnge don’t even know what change means or how change has been implemented in other countries.


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    @tryptameanie 987021 wrote:

    Had to change the title as the original was too long but the one I put is more accurate.

    MPs call for legalisation of cannabis amid warning UK is falling behind in its drug policies | The Independent

    I HAD TO READ 2 TIMES THE TITLE TO BE SURE IF THEY MEANT REALLY SHIT AS SHIT OR SHIT AS HASHIH,
    IDK IF IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE SHIT REFEERS ALSO LIKE IN FRENCH TO HASH AND UK WANT TO LEGALISE HASH ONLY….:lol_teeth:

    OK OK :sign0002:, I GO, French humour is difficult for UK & usa :bitter: :rant:

    never heard hash being called shit as a slang term here (unless its in something like a comedy sketch with someone trying to act like an American dealer). The politicians are looking at something like parts of the USA, or the NL coffeeshops.

    It may be described as shit if it is poor quality or contaminated, which unfortunately happened a lot in late 1990s, leading to most UK cannabis being highly chemically processed weed (which unfortunately also got contaminated by with anything from sugar crystals to worse stuff like silicone-based lacquer used in the electronics industry).

    A legal market would of course allow for proper quality control (like we have for food safety).

    I read that in CH you only get CHF 100 fine for up to 10 grams (of course only if the cops catch you with it), is that still the case?

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    I’ve seen some shitty hash for sure. Have no idea of invisible chemical contaminants but big chunks of fucking plastic (of whatever type) inside was not uncommon..

    In the mid-late 90s there was also “diesel” hash which was supposed to have diesel / paraffin mixed into it (it certainly smelt like it and was unpleasant to smoke); although bizzarely the term is now “reclaimed” for strains of weed in some countries (USA?)

    It does coincide with the era when the Western nations started pissing off the folk in the Middle East (whilst at the same time openly funding the more conservative régimes that clamped down more on drugs) which could easily have driven dealers to bulk out shipments with anything that would dissolve in an organic solvent (such as beeswax, resin etc) rather than sell better quality gear (which was more the case in the late 80s/early 90s).

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    That diesel hash I had heard had been transported in diesel. How close to the truth that is IDK though.

    Sour diesel is a very very nice strain of weed and diesel was a strain that became the starting point for many strains.

    Sour D is a quality strain, diesel isn’t bad either.

    Best strain I ever smoked was called O’ chiesel, a cross of sour diesel, cheese and OG kush. Fucking stank but my god it was strong.

    @tryptameanie 987078 wrote:

    That diesel hash I had heard had been transported in diesel. How close to the truth that is IDK though.

    Sour diesel is a very very nice strain of weed and diesel was a strain that became the starting point for many strains.

    @Digital Buddha 987079 wrote:

    Sour D is a quality strain, diesel isn’t bad either.

    Thus English speakers can be just as confusing as the French about street names of drugs :laugh_at:

    I am not sure how true the 1990s stories were or if it would even be practical to actually transport the hash in diesel – not only would it be definitely contaminated, petroleum distillates are usually transported as bulk cargo in specialist vessels – harbourmasters worldwide tend to (for good reason) strongly discourage small vessels carrying multiple loose 200L drums of any flammable chemicals and these would surely be more likely to get monitored/searched.

    The smell of beeswax, rosin and turpentine can easily be mistaken for that of diesel or paraffin (all of which contain what are known as aromatic organic chemicals) unless you are familiar with subtle differences between these substances (such as growing up in an era when there was less paranoia over chemicals/solvents)

    Of course today there is no real need to contaminate/bulk out cannabis when it is so easily grown worldwide and folk are increasingly becoming wiser to its correct appearance and quality.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 987085 wrote:

    Thus English speakers can be just as confusing as the French about street names of drugs :laugh_at:

    TBH GL they are just different strains of cannabis selectively bred each with slightly varying qualities. Very much like how dogs have been bred to produce the massive variety of what all began as wolves that we see today. The cheese strains do very much have a strong smell of blue cheese and blueberry dream, another very ice strain, does have a blueberry odour.

    Also, what you say about diesel as something to hide mell, I would have definitely expected it to corrode at the very least the packaging but if it was to be soncealed well, it should have had no way of the diesel getting at it anyway so that explanation seemed bullshit to me even bck in my teens.

    Howard Marks autobography did detail a method when he was exporting hashish from Afghanistan, via Packistan where the has was produced in bars, wrapped, placed in a tin containing melted wax and tyhen this tin was welded shut. Then another group of workers who had never been in contact with any hashish placed those tns inside a larger tin again containing melted wax and they were again welded shut. The man supplying the hash, a man called Salim Malik, actually had the canine sniffer dogs from Pakistans Customs agency come and inspect the shipment at his warehouse to make sure it was smell proof lol.

    Coincidentally I was watching a documentary from German TV about a Heideterrier being trained as an explosives sniffer dog, yet the dog in the film looked totally different to any other Heideterrier shown online and there is some debate as to whether its a breed in its own right or a mixture of various other small terriers (its like a German version of a Jack Russel/Patterdale).

    Thst said, my comment about the smell of these various substances was more from the viewpoint (or nose!) of the smoker; who might well have been equally likely to think there is “diesel” in the poorer quality hash (being more familiar with it from filling up or working on motor vehicles) when it was bulked out with the beeswax and/or solvents used to produce initial bar out of poorer quality source material (and worse items that would dissolve in this) being added. I definitely remember some varieties smelling like they contained rosin, as this stuff is used in the core of solder you might use when working on electronic circuits. Turpentine is related to this, and “white spirit” (a cheaper substitute) is usually a mixture of heavy naptha and paraffin.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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    @General Lighting 987055 wrote:

    never heard hash being called shit as a slang term here (unless its in something like a comedy sketch with someone trying to act like an American dealer). The politicians are looking at something like parts of the USA, or the NL coffeeshops.

    It may be described as shit if it is poor quality or contaminated, which unfortunately happened a lot in late 1990s, leading to most UK cannabis being highly chemically processed weed (which unfortunately also got contaminated by with anything from sugar crystals to worse stuff like silicone-based lacquer used in the electronics industry).

    A legal market would of course allow for proper quality control (like we have for food safety).

    I read that in CH you only get CHF 100 fine for up to 10 grams (of course only if the cops catch you with it), is that still the case?

    NO NO, NOTHING to do with a sketch. In French, if someone want buy Hash, he needs to ask for SHIT :lol_up: (AM REALLY SERIOUS),
    and now that I think about, it should sound really STRANGE for UK & other English speaking countries !!!

    That’s clearly one more time where nobody can understand my frenchy humour…

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    yes until 10 gr. H or cannabis, we receive a fine (same as a parking fine like u can see below). If paid in the 30 days, it won’t figure in the legal record.
    It’s still too much for me => Legalisation is the right way !!!

    2 days ago, a friend came drink a coffee home and told me that the day before, just when he was entering the train, the dog of a civil canine brigade smellt his pokcet by passing next to him showing he just smellt something.
    he had just a 1/2 gr H and less a gr heroin. they gaved him a 100 frank fine. (the heroin, they closed an eye on it, cuz it would have been a little shitty & boring 140 minute longer procedure for them:laugh_at:)

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    if they legalise then the govt/council could still get the tax, and the police would be able to do other more important things (such as stopping people vandalising the trains/stations or keeping them away from dangerous areas of the station). I have been comparing the tweets from the UK, NL and DE Police and even though weed is not 100% legal and big grow operations still get busted, the NL cops have so much more extra time to do more useful stuff that genuinely helps the community and even Dutch people with very progressive views support them more (although they will still criticise excessive policing of protests or hassling minor drug users)

    What is a “civil canine brigade”? Does that just mean the dogs are from the civilian Police and not soldiers? In English that would mean they are a private organisation that isn’t part of the Police such as a security guard company; they do occasionally have sniffer dogs but only at music festivals, it would be very unusual to use them at a railway station!

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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