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    @General Lighting 985545 wrote:

    PH and MY are next door to each other, in the same way as UK, NL, DE, DK, BE and FR- PH recenly had elections which have put a hardline candidate to power (even the Catholic Church in the Phillipines has criticised him for his attiude to human rights).

    10 years ago MY, SG and ID drastically reduced their use of harsh enforcement including death penalty against drug users; out of these countries only ID has returned to its hardline stance following a public referendum (similar to Britain’s Brexit vote).

    Malaysias standards of press freedom are similar to UK but with a slightly greater level of government oversight; it was once very unusual for a reporter to criticise the War on Drugs at all, let alone the behaviour of a neighbouring foreign country which they have strong cultural, political and economic links with…

    Shoot now, ask questions later – Regional | The Star Online

    The title is the way USA is still too often acting and everywhere those things are happening, Asia, America or elsewhere, I simply think that the world
    has enough technologie knowledges and chemical compounds which could and shoud be used to create arms which doesn’t hurt and stop an suspect
    instantly using paralyze, sleep, dazzle, …. systems !!!

    the most death due to police acting could be avoid, thats only politics choices to change.

    It was not long ago that Tryptameanie found a link about better treatment of addicts in Malaysia where the health authorities had travelled to Switzerland to learn good practice; I never imagined I would see such a thing happening.

    Unfortunately a lot is to do with money; when folk think their country is not doing well economically they get angry and want to fight any threat (even if it is non existent or false) and become less tolerant. All these SE Asian countries are in the same situation as Europe; where countries have to work together but their industries often compete with one another and are always looking for cheapest labour which causes tension.

    Luckily for Malaysia and Singapore they are doing well and have many intelligent people; without these countries we would not have most of our laptops, smartphones, digital cameras as they make or design many of the important components in them (even the ones made in China are usually designed in MY or SG)

    We are seeing the same happen here with Brexit in UK and the rise in popularity of hard right politicians elsewhere in Europe especially with younger voters who are angry at competing for work with migrants…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    PS: this report from a British news organisation shows what jail conditions are like in the Phillipines. Most of these inmates are suspected (not charged) drug offenders and this is far worse than anywhere in the neighbouring countries and in contravention of UN human rights guidelines.

    Harrowing photos from inside Filipino jail show reality of Rodrigo Duterte’s brutal war on drugs | Asia | News | The Independent

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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    @General Lighting 985553 wrote:

    PS: this report from a British news organisation shows what jail conditions are like in the Phillipines. Most of these inmates are suspected (not charged) drug offenders and this is far worse than anywhere in the neighbouring countries and in contravention of UN human rights guidelines.

    Harrowing photos from inside Filipino jail show reality of Rodrigo Duterte’s brutal war on drugs | Asia | News | The Independent

    My oldest german friend lives in the phillipines, since 2010. we still in contact through skype and I can remember that when he arrived, the laws enforcement
    against drugs wasn’t so hard, even inexistant in the most parts of the country, and a tablet was 1$.

    But in 6 years, the price has raised to 5$ now because the police has become very hard against the traffkers to try to stop that drug Epidemic in phillipines.

    JUST A REMARK : The thai pills (methamphetamine tablets (pelets/pills) are containing vanilline and/or coffee flavor giving a sweet pleasant taste when smoked.

    BEHIND THE REASONS TO HAVE ADD A FLAVOR IN THE THAI PILLS IS ONE WHICH SOUNDS SHOCKING !!! THE DRUG IS MAINLY TRANSPORTED BY CHILDS WHICH AREN’T CHARGED IF THEY ARE MINOR AND CATCH FROM THE COPS, THESE YOUNG TEENAGERS ARE PAID NOT IN MONEY BUT IN THAI PILLS and the flavor are very liked by the children which gets fastly addicted once they tried the drug. A really shame market strategy the traffickers has developped to get always new addicted customers.

    the worst part of it is the whole region actually tried to reduce harsh penalties but the countries have divided between rich and poor. The complicated geography of the Phillipines (being a load of islands) must make matters more complicated with regard to border/immigration control. Added to which is paranoia betwen different races and religions…

    Even here in England there is a problem with young teenagers being groomed into dealing hard drugs by gangs in London and other cities and then they get put on the train to sell stuff in my town 80 km away but the cops and social services have got better at catching people early and trying to keep them out of permanent crime.

    It was also a problem in NL but I read what their laws are and they don’t send the young people to prison (unless the pills are PMA or other poison) but confiscate all their money and fine them some more on top of it so its not financially worth it trying to become a dealer.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 985560 wrote:

    the worst part of it is the whole region actually tried to reduce harsh penalties but the countries have divided between rich and poor. The complicated geography of the Phillipines (being a load of islands) must make matters more complicated with regard to border/immigration control. Added to which is paranoia betwen different races and religions…

    Even here in England there is a problem with young teenagers being groomed into dealing hard drugs by gangs in London and other cities and then they get put on the train to sell stuff in my town 80 km away but the cops and social services have got better at catching people early and trying to keep them out of permanent crime.

    It was also a problem in NL but I read what their laws are and they don’t send the young people to prison (unless the pills are PMA or other poison) but confiscate all their money and fine them some more on top of it so its not financially worth it trying to become a dealer.

    That creepy grooming to be a dealer shit is rampant in America but they don’t send them to other areas very often.

    @Shakyamuni 985561 wrote:

    That creepy grooming to be a dealer shit is rampant in America but they don’t send them to other areas very often.

    TBH this is now an international problem but I guess the sheer physical size of the USA, different laws and levels of youth protection between states and local demographics is a big factor; in Europe this usually happens around big cities and towns and where there is regular public transport such as trains and it is safe to ride bicycles – which are harder to spot on CCTV schemes as they lack registration markings – this causes other problems as the bicycles used are rarely legitimately purchased!)

    Even so it is often obvious what is going on as it now costs around $50 for the train ticket, because of this fare evasion is made difficult with barriers, CCTV and private security and British Transport Police working together (there are special cops for the railway networks) – very few London teenagers are going to willingly spend this sort of money to travel to Ipswich (a town which now hardly has any nightlife as a backlash against the drugs culture of the 2000s) for fun.

    In NL things were happening the other way round, teenagers from the suburban areas and other provinces were bringing the drugs into Amsterdam and Rotterdam using the railway networks which are slightly better than UK – €50 will take you from Zeeland to the borders of Germany which is a good few hundred KM. However there is a lot of CCTV as well as (more importantly) people to watch it, Philips Telecommunicatie in Hilversum (where the media industries also traditionally operated from) were one of the first tech companies to make affordable CCTV equipment for public sector use as long ago as the mid 1960s.

    One thing I’ve noticed over the years comparing continental Europe with the UK is teenagers/young adults do appear to get a lot more freedom/indpendence at an early age but at the same time there is a lot more emphasis on family values and good behaviour in groups (not unlike Asian culture TBH) – which means that misbehaviour is caught early.

    In Dutch they often refer to minor drugs offences as “kattekwaad” (literally, the amount of misbehaviour/sin a pet cat or a young human is allowed to commit) – but if you watch their youtube videos or read any nature forums you learn that Dutch cats (as well as dogs and children) are often trained to obey their owners and behave well in groups, often in a matriarchal society similar to that found in Malaysia or Singapore…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    A lot of the Hispanic gangs will give an illegal immigrant a crash course on how to sell drugs and then set them up in some random place but these people are often times adults though not always. As far as black gangs people usually sell drugs where they’re from although people do move around. A lot of people will change states once they’re on their 3rd strike if they live in a 3 strikes rule state such as California.

    But hypothetically someone putting a kid on a 200m train ride to go sell drugs is pretty unheard of, although people loooooooooooove to traffic drugs on the Interstate Highway system. Pretty much anywhere that is along one of these highways will have an uptick in drugs just cause of overflow from trafficking.

    from what I have read about transport infrastructure and traffic safety in the USA the drug trafficking on the highways doesn’t surprise me; seems that state cops deploy ANPR systems without any of the checks and balances or coordination found elsewhere in the world (including China!) and the Feds (nor any other national govt ministry) don’t even have a nationwide database of all motor vehicles.

    Europe is completely the opposite; most countries (even UK) place increasing emphasis on road safety, young/new drivers and/or anyone suspected of having anything to do with drugs are watched closely (so it is less risky for those involved to use the public transport where available, provided they are discreet).

    There are more reports on the Malaysia news website today, [rightly] criticising the fallout from the war on drugs – as what is going on in PH even risks destabilising MY and its neighbours as predictably loads of pinoys are fleeing their country, the Malaysia border force caught a load of them trying to enter with fake MyKad immigration cards [the real ones are very sophisticated with RFID etc so fairly difficult to forge, although one major manufacturer of RFID cards is the Phillipines!]

    Unfortunately one reason the president (who was democratically elected) is able to get away with this madness seems to be because the country is quite highly populated and still growing; but if PH carries on lilke that SE Asia could easily end up in the same pickle as Europe and the Middle East…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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    @Shakyamuni 985563 wrote:

    A lot of the Hispanic gangs will give an illegal immigrant a crash course on how to sell drugs and then set them up in some random place but these people are often times adults though not always. As far as black gangs people usually sell drugs where they’re from although people do move around. A lot of people will change states once they’re on their 3rd strike if they live in a 3 strikes rule state such as California.

    But hypothetically someone putting a kid on a 200m train ride to go sell drugs is pretty unheard of, although people loooooooooooove to traffic drugs on the Interstate Highway system. Pretty much anywhere that is along one of these highways will have an uptick in drugs just cause of overflow from trafficking.

    what means ” a 3 strikes rule “


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    @General Lighting 985562 wrote:

    TBH this is now an international problem but I guess the sheer physical size of the USA, different laws and levels of youth protection between states and local demographics is a big factor; in Europe this usually happens around big cities and towns and where there is regular public transport such as trains and it is safe to ride bicycles – which are harder to spot on CCTV schemes as they lack registration markings – this causes other problems as the bicycles used are rarely legitimately purchased!)

    Even so it is often obvious what is going on as it now costs around $50 for the train ticket, because of this fare evasion is made difficult with barriers, CCTV and private security and British Transport Police working together (there are special cops for the railway networks) – very few London teenagers are going to willingly spend this sort of money to travel to Ipswich (a town which now hardly has any nightlife as a backlash against the drugs culture of the 2000s) for fun.

    In NL things were happening the other way round, teenagers from the suburban areas and other provinces were bringing the drugs into Amsterdam and Rotterdam using the railway networks which are slightly better than UK – €50 will take you from Zeeland to the borders of Germany which is a good few hundred KM. However there is a lot of CCTV as well as (more importantly) people to watch it, Philips Telecommunicatie in Hilversum (where the media industries also traditionally operated from) were one of the first tech companies to make affordable CCTV equipment for public sector use as long ago as the mid 1960s.

    One thing I’ve noticed over the years comparing continental Europe with the UK is teenagers/young adults do appear to get a lot more freedom/indpendence at an early age but at the same time there is a lot more emphasis on family values and good behaviour in groups (not unlike Asian culture TBH) – which means that misbehaviour is caught early.

    In Dutch they often refer to minor drugs offences as “kattekwaad” (literally, the amount of misbehaviour/sin a pet cat or a young human is allowed to commit) – but if you watch their youtube videos or read any nature forums you learn that Dutch cats (as well as dogs and children) are often trained to obey their owners and behave well in groups, often in a matriarchal society similar to that found in Malaysia or Singapore…

    WHAT IS THAT EXPRESSION MEANING “That creepy grooming to be a dealer shit …” ????

    @iliesse 985574 wrote:

    what means ” a 3 strikes rule “

    if some bits of USA if you get caught for selling drugs (or even other crimes?) 3 times in a row you get 20 years to life in prison or something excessive like that (varies between USA states)

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @iliesse 985575 wrote:

    WHAT IS THAT EXPRESSION MEANING “That creepy grooming to be a dealer shit …” ????

    the same as what the gangs are doing in Phillipines with the teenagers, i.e an older adult encouraging a teenager to do something that is harmful or criminal as the teen wants to make money of look grown up.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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    @General Lighting 985576 wrote:

    if some bits of USA if you get caught for selling drugs (or even other crimes?) 3 times in a row you get 20 years to life in prison or something excessive like that (varies between USA states)

    ARE U SERIOUS ???????????

    3 MINUTES REFLEXION MADE ME THINK : Strange that there is not a flow of people leaving the country for the reason to risk facing those sentences.
    Are these people being conscient of the risk they are facing when they are breaking the laws a few times???

    I think some states of the USA have had those laws since Reagan was in power;

    although as its not the entire country where this happens those who might have committed two crimes simply move to a state where they don’t have such harsh penalties rather than emigrating as a whole (they may not have travel documents or be able to learn different languages).

    The whole way the law works in America is highly confusing to anyone else due to the concept of legislators being alllowed to pass different criminal laws within regions (but it is also why marijuana is legal in some states but not others).

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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