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  • @General Lighting 406332 wrote:

    this is mixing up complex things going on between the licensed and unlicensed event scenes.

    nightlife, particularly in London has always been funded by criminal gangs, before any of us were born. The Metpol Clubs and Vice unit was set up in the middle of the 20th centry do deal with this.

    in the 1980s and 1990s some raves (both licensed and unlicensed) were indeed subject to the depradations of turf wars between drug dealers. Another unwanted occurence was youth gangs attending many legal rave events to commit robberies of cash, drugs and personal items. For some reason until the late 1990s these gangs concentrated on the legal raves (perhaps people had more bling) and mostly left London squat parties alone (they were in fact safer than legal events at one point!)

    Then some of the gangs started getting involved in large scale organised violence (knifes/guns) associated with legal events (particularly jungle/D&B and garage/urban) and metpol clamped down big time and locked down a lot of urban raves – and worked with commercial promoteres to beef up security against both drugs and violence (hence dogs, coppers at legal events, form 696)

    This pushed many of these youths into the squat parties, where they continue to be an unpleasant nuisance until robustly dealt with – and even then more crawl out of the woodwork. TBH they do still try and target legal events but security there can drag them out, give them a few slaps and hand them over to the old bill which is not an option at squat parties!

    today there are indeed many people trying to make money at both legal and illegal dance music events but its not all one gang, its various gangs all fighting for turf. however many of the people organising music events with any brains want none of the gang activity, nor to make loads of money out of them. Those what do get involved in this side of the scene often eventually end up facing a variety of unpleasant consequences, whether it is from rivals or the criminal justice system.

    cheers for the info GL. I am probably just being a grumpy git when it comes to scum but just hate to see peoples property trashed and all the “revolution” stuff starting up. And I still cant help but think money is behind the bigger stuff like scum, but have little basis for this other than the entry fee. Not that it matters a blind bit what I think but then forums would be rather empty without people giving il-informed opinions when they are bored lol Least that’s what I will tell myself.

    @1984 406334 wrote:

    cheers for the info GL. I am probably just being a grumpy git when it comes to scum but just hate to see peoples property trashed and all the “revolution” stuff starting up. And I still cant help but think money is behind the bigger stuff like scum, but have little basis for this other than the entry fee. Not that it matters a blind bit what I think but then forums would be rather empty without people giving il-informed opinions when they are bored lol

    TBH I agree that in-use property should not be trashed, especially as its whats led to the zero tolerance in this area, and certainly wouldn’t class a rave as any form of political activism, its more a distraction…

    Money has always been behind the dance music scene to one extent or another, if only just to keep even legal events going as often high risk but legal investments attract organised crimes money as its a good way of laundering it. Its why the Clubs and Vice unit was set up in the first place and also why licensing checks are harsh in nearby East Anglia..

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Chris Liberator: Squat Parties Are Back

    really good interview with Chris Liberator about scum and the scene. Wish I had met more people like him when I was into free partys. Somehow did seem to manage to just find mostly K head types (and I mean that stereotypically its all the other stuff that comes with the addiction really) grrrr (Apart from folk on here of course). Damn my lack of social skills and depression/addictions lol.

    EDIT: not that everyone I met was crap lots of people were lovely and its largely a reflection of my own faults for not meeting people I got on with better/more successful friendships. Sometimes I really am shite at expressing myself, come across like a bigoted idiot.

    On a plus note, venison sausages for tea!

    Chris Liberator is a very talented clued up chap (and indeed speaks honestly about the gangs etc) and there are a minority of very talented and socially concious people on this scene but the bulk of them are and have always been apolitical hedonists for whom partying is a rite of passage rather than a gateway to more creative or enlightened thought.

    I wouldn’t say I’ve met too many “junkie / K head types” at the outset but I’ve also seen way too many good creative people overdo things and fuck up big time, and a lot of the hedonists just get bored and drop straight back into townie life..

    squat parties always make a resurgence around this time of year.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 406339 wrote:

    Chris Liberator is a very talented clued up chap

    he strikes me as a man who knows where his towel is

    @scouse_raver_georg 404499 wrote:

    why????
    the more damage that was done to police the quicker they’ll let us into the party.
    +maybe they’ll think twice about shutting down a party again
    i didnt do it to be big or clever i just wanted to party.

    Wow. Old post, I know, but you are a right fucking bellend. Do you really think the police will be less reluctant to let you party if you trash their fucking vehicles? NO! They are just gonna get more cops on the case, and bring in tougher measures to close down parties in the future. You did not do it because you wanted to party, you did it because you wanted to participate in some mindless hooliganism, plain and simple. Give yourself a massive pat on the back for successfully making the public think that free party/squat party goers are nothing but neanderthals. >_<

    i thought scumoween this year was brilliant and there was no entry fee it was entry
    free

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