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Halloooo all ! :bounce_b:
Im a shroom retailer, and as such recieved a copy of the new home office letter banning shrooms.
Thought I would post a copy up here for very one (usefull bits in it, like the section saying that if you they grow on your land without cultavation you can pick them for the purpose of destroying them at first resonable chance !) –
Also good as mentions fly agaric is still legal, so if you intend to have any with you at any time, then please print off this letter to show the pigs as they arn’t always that bright and may well nick you for it even though legal!!! – Also they hate us being more informed than they are and feels wicked to be able to pull out a home office letter in an argument with them !
(letter is at bottom of the message – As is their email address)
As from the 18th july all shrooms are class A in any form (any fungi containing psilocybin or psylocin)
Fly agaric is still legal in the UK as it doesn’t contain any of these substances, instead it contains muscimol.
Fly agaric also contains alkaloids that are toxic, these can be removed either by feeding shrooms to reindeer and drinking the piss, or drying them at 170 deg. C.
The ones on my site have been dried at 170 deg. C to kill the toxins, so no piss drinking required !
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Here is the letter :
To Whom It May Concern 6 July 2005
Commencement of Section 21 of the Drugs Act 2005
– Magic Mushrooms
I am writing to inform you of the change in the law regarding fresh mushrooms containing psilocin – commonly known as magic mushrooms. The Drugs Act 2005 received Royal Assent on 7 April 2005, and now, under section 21, all types of fungus – including fresh fungi – which contain psilocin (or an ester of psilocin) are controlled as Class A drugs. This amendment clarifies the law to ensure there is no doubt that the importation, exportation, production, supply, possession or possession with intent to supply magic mushrooms, whether fresh or prepared, is unlawful.
Section 21 will come into force on 18 July 2005.
Separate regulations will exempt from the offence of possession those magic mushrooms that are not being cultivated or are picked for immediate disposal/ destruction.
There is a question and answer sheet attached to this letter that explains the law change in more detail – if you would like further information on the change to hand out to customers then please contact Home Office Publications on 0870 241 4680, quoting product code: MMQ&A.
Yours faithfully,
Jeremy Sare
Drug Legislation and Enforcement Unit
Home Office
MAGIC MUSHROOMS – Q and A
What part of the law has changed?
Section 21 of the Drugs Act 2005 amends Part I of Schedule 2 to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 by inserting “Fungus (of any kind) which contains psilocin or an ester of psilocin”. (Both psilocin and an ester of psilocin are Class A drugs.) Consequently, such fungi are classified as Class A drugs. It is an offence to import, export, produce, supply, possess or possess with intent to supply magic mushrooms whatever form they are in.
When does section 21 come into force?
Section 21 comes into force on 18 July 2005.
What was the problem with the law as it stood?
The Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 controlled the chemicals inside the mushroom (psilocin and psilocybin) as Class A rather than the mushrooms themselves. Magic mushrooms were only classified as Class A drugs under that Act if they had been prepared or if they were in the form of a product. It is a matter of legal interpretation what constitutes a preparation or a product and this had led to uncertainty. The judge in the Gloucester Crown Court magic mushroom case in December 2004 (Mardle and Evans, 14 December 2004) recommended that Parliament consider new legislation to clarify the legal position. The law change has put matters beyond doubt – it is a clarification and, to some extent, an extension of the law but it is not a reclassification.
How big is the problem?
The last two years have seen a dramatic increase in the number of shops selling magic mushrooms from only a handful to over 400. HM Revenue and Customs estimate the amount of magic mushrooms imported in 2004 to be between 8-16,000 kgs.
Why are psilocin and psilocybin Class A drugs?
Psilocin and psilocybin are powerful hallucinogens which work on the same pharmacological principle as LSD. They are particularly harmful to those with a mental illness or with an underlying mental health problem. The United Nations Convention on Psychotropic Drugs 1971 places psilocin in Schedule 1, the highest level of control. Users are also vulnerable to self harm whilst under the influence and those using mushrooms may experience negative flashbacks.
Haven’t the police got higher priorities?
It is an operational matter for forces to set their own priorities according to local needs. The police agree with the Government strategy that the highest priority is controlling drugs such as heroin, crack and cocaine as they do most harm. That does not mean that there should not be enforcement against other drugs. The focus of action will be on stopping the commercial import and sale of magic mushrooms.
Will it be illegal to supply kits?
The law covers production so it applies to the sale and importation of kits.
How many people take magic mushrooms?
The British Crime Survey shows that about 180,000 16-59 year olds took mushrooms in 2002/3. The survey for 2003/4 shows an increase of 40% in one year.
Was the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs consulted?
Yes. The ACMD acknowledged that there was a need for legal clarity in this area.
Won’t this criminalise those who pick magic mushrooms in the wild without knowing that they are magic mushrooms?
No. Section 28 of the Misuse of Drugs Act states that if a person can prove his lack of knowledge then he is not committing an offence.
Won’t this criminalise those where magic mushrooms are growing naturally in their gardens or on other land they own?
Section 21 comes into force at the same time as regulations which make clear under what circumstances it is not unlawful to possess magic mushrooms. For example, a person will not be committing an offence of possession of magic mushrooms if the mushrooms are growing uncultivated on their premises or if they have picked magic mushrooms for the purposes of destruction as soon as is reasonably practicable or for the purposes of delivering them into the custody of a person lawfully entitled to take custody of them.
Can I destroy mushrooms growing on my land?
The regulations have been made so that it will not be an offence to pick mushrooms for immediate disposal.
Will HM Revenue and Customs change their policy of collecting VAT on the sale of magic mushrooms?
Yes. They have reviewed their position in the light of section 21 coming into force.
Will suppliers be compensated for loss of income from the change in the law?
No. The Government maintains that supplying mushrooms containing psilocin is unlawful.
Does section 21 cover fly agaric mushrooms?
No. Fly agaric does not contain psilocin. Its prevalence is extremely low.
Are there any other circumstances under which mushrooms containing psilocin will be legal?
The Home Office can issue licences for the growth of these mushrooms (normally for research purposes).
What are the penalties for possession or supply of magic mushrooms?
The maximum penalty for serious offences of supplying or possession with intent to supply a Class A drug is life imprisonment plus an unlimited fine. The maximum penalty for possession is 7 years in jail plus an unlimited fine.
Where can I go for more information?
For more information on magic mushrooms and the change in the law you can visit http://www.talktofrank.com
If you have any further enquiries on the change in the law, you can also contact the Home Office by email at drugsact2005@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
amanita is very different to psilocybin
it changes people, and has potential for poisoning if not prepared properly
be careful!
it changes people, and has potential for poisoning if not prepared properly
be careful!
indeed. The guy on the site may have prepared them to remove the poison; but people may come across them in the woods and not realise the dangers – its our duty to inform everyone of these dangers.
I still think one reason the loophole was closed so quickly is that some shroom dealers, anxious to exploit a lucrative market, played down the risks (not mike, who seems to be a relatively sensible chap….).
The “dangers” were clearly overstated by the Home Office, but the commercial market had a part to play in things going pear shaped.
A lot of shrooms were sold in headshops to young teenagers, who had not been made aware of simple things like the fact the trip can last for many hours, or the chances of paranoia and bad trips.
They’d therefore do the things in school at lunchtimes, or when chilling out at the park and find they have to go home to their parents, and their “abnormal behaviour” would sometimes result in these kids being carted in on blues by Ambulance to the local Emergency Department, which would obviously freak them out even more ( the last thing they need is people in uniforms asking lots of questions ) and piss off the NHS staff who have more important things to deal with.
9 times out of 10 just simply letting these kids chill out somewhere and the drug wear off would return them to normal, and be a lot less traumatic, but much of society is still not prepared to accept even relatively non-problematic recreational drug use even if it divides families.
OTOH its interesting how there was no problem with mushrooms until the commercial market appeared – once again the lust for cash kills a golden (or psychedelic coloured with flashing bits 🙂 ) goose and a small minority fuck it up for everyone else..
I’m not getting at any of the sellers personally (the web sellers presumably can’t sell underage as you need a credit card?!) but the damage is done now – I hope people learn from their mistakes.
:bounce_b: I agree wholeheartedly about irresponsable selling. Unfortunately for some people cash is the most important thing. (These people often didn’t take shrooms much before starting to sell them in my experience !)
I used to sell shrooms in bristol, and have turned away MANY kids. Only to be laughed at and told ‘ The shop down town sells us them all the time!’ or ‘But I take x pills every weekend!’
In the bags I sold, I would put a label in with a bit of info on it, and only sell mexies if it was their first time. Also recommend they only took half a dose first unless they seemed used to psychedelics of other varieties !
The label read:
– Not for under 18’s
– Not for pregnant women or if you’re breast feeding
– Not suitable for anyone with a history of mental health problems
– Don’t drive or opperate machinery after taking them
I have been laughed at for putting them in every bag, but the way I look at it, the people who are experienced enough to not need the advice can just ignore it !
I have refused loads of kids in the time I sold shrooms, but still managed to do well out of it so i really don’t understand the mentality of those who sold to kids. I like to think they just didn’t realise the dangers and were not just money grabbers, but…. !
Anywayz,
Take it easy and remember respect psychedelics, they have been around longer than any of us and can be amazing when done in the right environment. Don’t take any one persons word for anything, research before taking anything new and you will find out how to have a better trip. (the internet is good for more than porn and mp3 downloads you know !)
Oh, and yes, they do have to tick a check box to say they are over 18, and pay by card or paypal.
I did recently have someone who wanted to buy from me via email and paypal and not from the site, but I turned them down. (Didn’t sound right to me, reckon they were about 16!)
I sell these things because I like them, and want to help others ENJOY trips etc, and I feel that below a certain age and as importantly with a certain purely headonistic attitude towards them your just not ready for them yet.
Cheers,
mike
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Hi there,
Well first thing, Tim Leary would be proud of u guyz !!!
Use psychedelics !!!!!
Learn the rules first : (I know some of u know them, but just in case)
– be in good mood and willing to take some
– make sure u have no history of mental illness, even amongst your relatives ;
– be in a good environement (for the whole period of your trip) : eg with friends and if possible in a safe and known place or somewhere u feel good. Remenber it lasts hours (sometimes 6 to 7 hours)
But I was mostly surprise by the following Q/A sentence :
“Why are psilocin and psilocybin Class A drugs?
Psilocin and psilocybin are powerful hallucinogens which work on the same pharmacological principle as LSD. They are particularly harmful to those with a mental illness or with an underlying mental health problem. The United Nations Convention on Psychotropic Drugs 1971 places psilocin in Schedule 1, the highest level of control. Users are also vulnerable to self harm whilst under the influence and those using mushrooms may experience negative flashbacks.”
In fact, it is the only problem with the psychedelics.
You could say the same things concerning a stressful job :
“particularly harmful to those with a mental illness or with an underlying mental health problem.”
And concerning Alcohol :
“Users are also vulnerable to self harm whilst under the influence”
Which shows once again that the product is not the problem, but the users are. Even water kills…
Lawz can’t protect anyone from irresponsible behavior. It is so easy to incriminate the product….. it’s as stupid as saying “immigrants are responsible for the unemployment”
As long as we’ll have public authorities mixing causes and consequences, products and indivdual responsibility, knowledge and repression, the people could be easily lead.
Yup, and the media has lots to answer for ! they can whoop people into a frenzy about any subject, and offer mis-guided information to support their brain-washing !
– (did anyone see the power of nightmares on TV? V. good at showing how governments use fear to conrtol us all you can download it from here: http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares
If anyone is interested. (just look for the download bit on the left, right click on the quality you want and select save as.)
Thats why forums like this are important where anyone can poft threads and view/info.
The government don’t like freedom of information for a reason !
Mike :bounce_g:
http://www.laughterpromotions.com
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