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  • I think Jessica Allinson was fucking well right to do this. Parties are all well and good, but not when they result in that kind of damage to people’s homes and lives. Now J.A is in jail, think about what her children and family must be going through, just because of a bunch of selfish fuckers who are just too much of fucking pikies to buy their own plot of land. I think she should have been given a medal and award ceremony, for doing what the fucking coward police wouldn’t!

    basically they could have killed some people that were just having a bit of a dance in the woods one night 🙁

    loaded guns were pointed at people, discharged at cars which were travelling on a public road (a woman arriving to collect her daughter) 🙁

    one person was hit in the head with a shotgun stock..

    😡

    perhaps these two will have some time to reflect on what is acceptable in society and the need for tolerance and compromise

    at the same time, i would think it might be time to stop rinsing that same area 😉

    Alias wrote:
    just because of a bunch of selfish fuckers who are just too much of fucking pikies to buy their own plot of land

    new_snipersmilie.gif i can’t believe you said that

    you really do deserve to be shot (at) 😡

    its patantly obvious that thsi person knows nothing outside of what they’ve heard in the press.

    a) the damage done to the area was minimal, and considering it’s used by the local kids as aplayground, i think that where the alleged “used jonnies” comes from

    b) that site had only been partied four times in seven years, hardly the “constant harrasment” bullshit that was touted in the press.

    c) the police in that area have totally shut down rave activity in that area. there have been two serious incidents of agrassion and violence on their part, not to mention their dedicated rave control. i know of at least three rigs that have been nicked in the area in the last year.

    d) the time line of events that littlejohn discribes is absolutely contrived to fuck. there was no chase, the violence was started and perpetuated by the toffs, and the shooting of the car tyres happened at a different time and place to the main confrontation…

    i could go on, but you get the jist…

    I agree that sending her to jail is well harsh, but it sounds a bit hollow coming from the same right wing papers that are all infavour of draconian laws to prevent social freedoms, as long as they only apllly to the poor or non-white. At the end og the day the criminal justice system in this country is a joke, and i’ve seen and heard of far worse miscarriages of justice, only they didnt happen to the landed gentry so it doesnt make the papers..

    F.O.C, the crew who did the rave will be interveiwed in next weeks dorking ad.. That should help to put right deluded, The Sun beleiving wankers like alias straight.

    i’ll keep yall posted.

    damage to the environment and overuse of venues have always been a concern of mine (to the point where I boycotted an entire season of outdoor parties in my area as I felt these issues weren’t being addressed in the rush to hold larger events) – OTOH a woman who cares about families doesn’t normally discharge loaded firearms at another mother who is picking up her family members, whatever the circumstances.

    The sentence is fairly normal for use of a firearm without actual injury – similar sentences have been handed down in other disputes of this nature, whether raves were involved or not.

    She got slightly less because of the fact there was some provocation, she wasn’t aiming at people (a gamekeeper after all is supposed to be a good shot!) and that the firearm itself was licensed – The reason shooters in urban areas usually get several years is because they often have pistols, which have been illegal in this country since 1996, and there are far less legitimate reasons to have a firearm in an urban setting.

    Even then I’m surprised at how lenient some sentences are, such as the bloke from So Solid crew who only got a few months for pointing a loaded revolver at a traffic warden….

    However, the judge had to at least hand down a custodial sentence for the general safety of the British public. As he said in court (in a report which USE also posted but the telegraph have since expired), if a precedent is set of settling land access disputes with firearms, what is stopping those with more ruthless criminal intent from arming themselves?

    Lets suppose someone at that party was a more ruthless individual who already had a 12-bore of their own, perhaps even a rifle and decided to return fire… she’d be brown bread now rather than just in HMP, her kids would be in care for years rather than months and we all know what nad things happen to kids in long-term care in England 🙁

    TBH her actions were stupidity caused by fear, hate and ignorance rather than bravado – hopefully in jail she will get some re-education to help her control her anger – for her own safety!

    You only ever point a loaded weapon at something or someone if it they pose an immediate and real threat to your existence, and/or you are prepared to terminate its life and/or deal with the consequences of doing so.

    Its a difficult issue for society as a whole. Do we want to move towards the situation in other countries such as the USA where we have a fully armed society? (I’m not anti-guns and have got nothing against shooting for food or for sport (target practice) BTW!)

    Being able to “shoot intruders on sight” might seem like a good “macho fantasy” when you are young, fit and prepared to spend much time practising at the range to defend yourself from real or imaginary “enemies” – but if you carry out that deadly threat or perhaps shoot to scare and fuck up , even if the cops don’t get you the victims family may decide to launch reprisals (and in an armed society they can get weapons to). but do you constantly want to live in a war-zone?

    An old country rhyme..

    “You may hit or you may miss
    But for ever think of this
    All the pheasants ever bred
    Don’t make up for one man dead”

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    for some back ground to the surrey rave / police stand off… go to

    http://www.nativebeats.co.uk/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=10&t=88&

    and if you want the in-depth, local story, check out

    http://www.nativebeats.co.uk/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=10&t=96&

    also..darkside…the defence admitted to four shots, but there are two blast marks in the tops, which is head height, that were not addressed in court or admitted by the defence.

    They should have been charged with attempted murder, and threatening with loss of life…

    Although putting mum in jail isnt great, she very nearly got away with murder, and while im sure she’s having a shit time, she is also ridiculously lucky to be in the employ of the rich, also that she is a mum, or she’d be fucked. she is the luckiest plum in the world, and i hope she knows it

    USE wrote:
    its patantly obvious that thsi person knows nothing outside of what they’ve heard in the press.
    d) the time line of events that littlejohn discribes is absolutely contrived to fuck. there was no chase, the violence was started and perpetuated by the toffs, and the shooting of the car tyres happened at a different time and place to the main confrontation…

    I got the impression that any violence she did receive from the ravers was a reprisal for discharging the gun, which is fair enough!

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    I agree that sending her to jail is well harsh,

    not when there is a real problem with firearms in some parts of this country – both middle england and gangsters are getting armed and it could be bare armshouse if society doesn’t do something.

    In my area (thames valley) the bumpkins are responsible for as many if not more shootings as the city gangsters….

    Her main punishments would actually have been the loss of her license, her job, her shotgun (they aren’t cheap!) and perhaps even accommodation (usually comes with the job).

    BTW gamekeepers are “lackeys” rather than landed gentry – they are no better and have no more real status than the minimum wage rentaguards found in the city who “guard'” warehouses (and these have the sense to turn a blind eye to certain activities if there isn’t too much damage)

    TBH I think she wasn’t the sharpest tool in the box, the stupid cow has fucked up years of her life and caused her family disruption to defend land that wasn’t even her own property! Even the toffs didn’t stick up for her, and no one will employ her as a gamekeeper now – I don’t think you can get a firearms license back after an incident of this nature, and the landed gentry are cowards who would be equally paranoid that she may point a weapon at them if there was a master/servant dispute….

    incidentally I was equally angry with the ravers who were pissing about with a replica pistol at one ridgeway rave last year – there is no place whatsoever for firearms on the British free party scene.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    USE, you seem to know quite alot about what happened….were you there? What’s your name if I may be so rude as to ask…?

    Actually, i wasn’t there, but i do know lots of people who went, not to mention the organisers, and the local journo who covered it. also seen quite a few court documents and spoken at length with a few who were at the courtcase….

    …as for telling you my name…are you mental? with the amount of stuff i’ve admitted on here, i’d have to have my head examined…. you haven’t signed in, and you sound like the police, to be honest, or maybe an irate yokel. i personally dont want to be nicked on trumped up charges, or have some attack by the local farmers.

    you can email me explaining who YOU are, and maybe i’ll enlighten you.

    Yeh, and the police have supported Jessica Allinson soooo much…

    Whatever….

    and getting three months for attempted murder is fucking loads :/ …read the thread, please…

    in case you are having trouble locating it, my address is use@primalvisions.co.uk hope to hear from u soon..

    Wow talk about not getting your facts straight! You forgot the part where they rammed cars off the road and pointed guns in oeooles cars as they were leaving. You forgot the part where 2 young girls feard for their lives because they pointed guns into the car, one girl was dragged from the car and kicked in the stomach and a gun pounted between her eyes (she still wakes up in the night screaming that she is going to be shot in the head).

    You forgot the part where they shot the speakers 6 times while people were standing right by them and trying to hide behind them. You forgot the part where they stuck a gun to a mans face and hit another over the head splitting his head open because he was trying to protect his friend from havung his head shot off. You even made some part up, that was nice 🙂

    Nobody laid a finger on them, not a single hair on their head was harmed. Also they went home and called the pilice themselves. We know this because we spent the entire morning in the police station giving our statements and the police told us. I went to court the day they were sentanced, it was quite a harrowing tale. What mother in her right mind behaves in such a way KNOWING what the outcome would be? She most definitely knew the law and knew she would go to prison yet she still did it?

    The parties only went on a couple of years, not 7? Where did you make that number up from? And FYI we ALWAYS cleaned up after a party and NEVER caused criminal damage to peoples property. Party people are good natured decent people who enjoy getting together with music in the outdoors 🙂

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