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  • @boothy 347448 wrote:

    and how does this make you any better than the original perpetrator?

    an eye for an eye would make the whole world blind.

    you can’t go round dishing out capital and corporal punishment and keep your moral highground.

    Yeah but this liberal and soft sentencing doesn’t work. Somethings gotta change and change soon.

    @DJCliffy 347475 wrote:

    Yeah but this liberal and soft sentencing doesn’t work. Somethings gotta change and change soon.

    I follow crime news from initial reports all the way through to sentencing and since Tony Blair came to power there has been a trend to increase sentences for pre-meditated murder and other violent crimes, particularly when the victims are less physically strong than the attackers. There is a problem whereby it seems the judiciary assume that young men are “expected to fight” and thus sentences are a bit low in this case (especially if the victim got a few punches in on the attacker) but with more vulnerable victims its not uncommon to see 20-35 year sentences these days. there is also a whole life tarriff which was used for the Ipswich murder cases.

    Most people no longer believe in religions with afterlife (which was really what made the death penalty a deterrent and also made other people think the perpetrator would be punished in the afterlife) – and when we had the death penalty in this nation there was more and worse domestic violence and gang violence (particularly in the Victorian era) as upping the stakes often makes people feel life is cheap..

    reintroducing the death penalty or corporal punishment into any nation will also pave the way for the introduction of Sharia law and other religious legislation, given the political and economic power religious groups still have across the world.

    and greater penalties wouldn’t have prevented this incident anyway, its more a case of families being more willing to involve the Police or other authorities at an earlier stage when domestic violence starts to occur (it looks like the weapon used may have come from the family home used by someone familiar with the home..)

    @DJCliffy 347475 wrote:

    Yeah but this liberal and soft sentencing doesn’t work. Somethings gotta change and change soon.

    it hasn’t eliminated all crime no, but the more focus on prevention an rehabilitation (the “liberal” method according to most people) has made crime drop over the past decades.

    the way to eliminate crime is to pour money into focusing on the reasons why people commit crimes – the social reasons behind it. continue pouring money into education, into youth work, social work, rehabilitation schemes, outreach programmes.

    there has never been any solid evidence produced to be that more “tough” sentencing will reduce crime in the slightest. there are countries with death penalties for relatively minor offences yet people still commit them. the centre-right in this country has an obsession with the phrase “tough on crime” as it is a vote winner, but it is actually one of the most pointless and counter-productive practices out there.

    @boothy 347448 wrote:

    and how does this make you any better than the original perpetrator?

    an eye for an eye would make the whole world blind.

    you can’t go round dishing out capital and corporal punishment and keep your moral highground.

    you are right .. that’s just my jaded side talking … deep down i know the problem needs to be solved at the roots otherwise it’s just sweeping it under the carpet and pertty much carrying on what’s going on now but in a diferant manner … utopian sociaty dream but i’ll not see it in my life … jsut hope people wise up sharpish!

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