UK : LDN (N) : Young graduate jumps in front of train after MDMA use
March 18, 2017 at 9:50 pm #1166836General LightingModerator
I usually try and filter out blatant scare stories but this is genuinely worrying.
The young man was very intelligent; had already successfully completed one University degree and his field of study (pharmacology!) suggests he would be far from naive about the risks and rewards of drug use.
The worst part of this is he wasn’t having any family conflict about his drug use, he hadn’t been nicked for it, it clearly hadn’t affected his academic or career progress, there is no mention of previous mental health problems…
However I can still remember how when I first took good MDMA in 1991 I had horrendous mood swings – they weren’t quite enough to make me seriously consider any form of self harm (I’d already been through a bad patch in life some years previously and if anything MDMA had given me something to live for) so I can understand if comedowns from todays high doses really could be enough to push a young person over the edge like this. I have seen people go from loved up to near psychotic on pill comedowns myself a few years ago and they were not taking bunk pills either, it was good MDMA in them…March 19, 2017 at 3:09 pm #1167280Digital BuddhaParticipant
This is terrible. Really odd for him to become suicidal given the context of his life, although MDMA can induce psychosis that leads to a tragedy such as this one.
The comedown is sometimes terrible and some folks handle it better than others.
So sad though.March 21, 2017 at 3:25 am #1172427IliesseParticipant
(Having many years of that kind of drug abuse, and having seen a lot of behaviour under MDMA effect at the same time. So my folowing comment is ONLY MY OPINION, AND ISN’T BASED ON RESULTS OF A SCIENTIFIC STUDY)
The comedown under a MDMA dose, even a strong dose, is not a drug driving people to suicide. If it would be the case, we would have seen those sad news many more times.
And if MDMA would have been the reason the young man jumped under the train, I think that the probability that someone is subject to that behaviour during the comedown (even a strong dose) of that drug is much lower than someone under alcool influence.
I would much more speculate the young graduate have taken MDMA to find the courage for acting what he had already planned before.March 21, 2017 at 9:32 am #1174066General LightingModerator
The verdict was described as “open” which means the Coroner could not prove the lad had decided to take his own life – but I have read a few news stories in England about people harming themselves shortly after taking MDMA – in many of these its unclear whether they had suicidal intent (unlike someone who has for instance been regularly in NHS treatment for their mental health).
They are rare compared to the number of users and slightly less common than fatal overdoses; but these do seem to happen in England around the same time that pill quality improves (or drug use as a whole increases).
The Dutch woman who lost her daughter also claimed the same thing is happening in NL but gets reported as “railway incidents” rather than directly linked to drugs.
I suspect the pressures of growing up and also life in England (which is one of the less happy and tolerant countries in Europe to grow up in) might have been a factor. In countries such as CH, AT (some bits of) DE and NL where society is less judgmental of young drug users (or young people as a whole) users aren’t going to be as guilty or paranoid about taking strong drugs and that may be a big factor in why they do not suffer bad after effects.
I am originally from London =- the whole “big city” culture/lifestyle can be as attractive and addictive as drugs themselves and when someone is doing well in life even a minor setback can hit them hard.
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