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the uk tek was one of the mst inhospitable sites i have ever been to it was desperatly dirty with clouds of dirt blowing into our faces, the ground was uneven. the road up to it was long and horrific. it could never be discribed as a place of natural beauty.
Yes I think we can all agree on that. I’m just pleased that we managed to have a Uktec at all. The best bit for me is that people came from all over the country. It’s a much better vibe IMO than the small localized parties or TENS events. At the end of the day we all knew we were on borrowed time, it’s just a shame the OB were heavy handed, but this is nothing new.
GL, you are very well informed and from a lot of the threads I’ve read, you sometimes play devils advocate, which can make you sound like an apologist for the authorities. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge as it gives us a glimpse of some of the workings and reasoning behind the authorities behavior. Knowledge is power, so the more we know about how they operate the more we can try to avoid problems + know where we stand when it does kick off. the CJB was supposed to be the end of illegal raves. well that was a long time ago and here we still are. We’re all on the same side, let’s keep it together and we will overcome whatever they throw at us.
we are all judged by the actions of rude boys in London and the more dysfunctional of younger ravers (not just travellers, in fact many of them particular some Ive met in East Anglia are decent people)
Even at the fluffy Norfolk parties I’ve seen a lot of angry youths – if they don’t fight the cops they fight one another and rob stuff (like breaking into other peoples cars etc). There were way more incidents than I expected or wanted to see but less than London/SE, I’ll give people their due.
Where that cop car got smashed in Suffolk (one of the other incidents that brought it on top here), the lad what done it had already brought a cricket bat to the party. The ground wasn’t exactly the best for cricket on Sunday…
yep and to an extent the jokes and aggressive banter on some sites (particularly those without clued up older ravers to guide people) do get taken at face value particularly if people are chatting about being prepared to take on the cops by force (there is or was a lot of this talk on some teenagers’ social networks.) A lot of it is simply bored provincial teenagers trying to ape what goes on in London.
Nah, someone just got busted the gates to the compound – thats bad enough though.
Bear in mind also if there is local conflict about the wind turbines cops could even suspect or assume that the landowners allowed the rave to happen to disrupt the wind turbine project (round here loads of turbines have been sabotaged and even homes of those supporting projects damaged).
a total amnesty on illegal gatherings would be seen by the rest of society as giving into criminals.
I still don’t think its the OB doing things off their own back, they are being encouraged to do so by other citizens in this country, particularly older non-ravers who live near popular party sites.if cops went and steamed into the people protesting against post offices being closed or even against NHS cuts I’m sure it would be rather less popular.
Incidentally the thing we all have to remember is the CJA is nearly 15 years old – but it has literally been in the past few years that any real attempt has been made to enforce this (and other laws) to stop these parties.
The cops have had all the surveillance and computers for years and from 2001 until 2005 more resources post 9/11 without being diverted by an actual terrorist attack on these shores.
Something has happened on this scene to make the cops react negatively even more than before and this is what needs to be reversed.
Until normal people who never go to a rave or are too old to do so say “no, these events aren’t a problem” and until the granny who doesn’t want her Post office closed or her pension slashed also respects your desire to party, these events will keep on getting shut down, rigs will be lost and people will keep getting hurt.
The cops have enough money to do this every weekend if they so desire. They could have done it every weekend back in the early 2000s if they wanted to, but cut people a lot of slack in some areas. Now they are being reined in.
a total amnesty on illegal gatherings would be seen by the rest of society as giving into criminals.
society may well have a negative veiw about the rave scene. it does not help there cause if the only time they are talked about on tv or in the papers are more likely to give out the bad side of any event . they fail to give out any sort of balanced report to enable normal people to make up thier qwn minds about the rave scene.
but the british public are forgiving and tolarant of the young peolple who go to raves. they are aware of the other type of entertainment on offer and as long as they are not being disturbed or intimindated by a raver they will accept the rave culture.
there are many different groups that are on the fringes of society but that does not make them criminals and it would would be racest to sugest they were.
the raving scene should not be seen as some sort of political party with mutterings of discontent with the powers to be. terroist and those who will enforce thier views by violence and fear are not realated in any shape of form to the rave culture.
let me tell you one thing ravers are not interested in politics. they mabee have little trust for the system but they accept it and conform to a standard of behavor at home.
we live in a very stressfull world and there are pressures al around us which most people absorb during thier lives. the parties are the way that young people dump that stress by going raving mad in front of a huge sound system miles away from anyone with dance,stimulation and music. they are back at work on monday rinsed and purged.and strait. i dont want to think what would happen if there was no way to dump the stress in order to cope with everyday life.
Unfortunately that is the nature of the mainstream media, unbalanced and sensationalist, this applies across the board though not just on the rave seen. You can always hope intelligent people read it more critically however the country seems to be dominated by sun/daily mail type who believe whatever bullshit they read and probably happily support more dramatic use of police powers on stopping ‘illegal raves’ whether they’ve been directly affected or not
I disagree, a lot of ravers I’ve met especially the older on the scene or rig crews are more interested in politics than most ‘normal’ people I meet, in that they have strong views about society environmentalism drugs policy etc. I think if you choose to be an active part of an illegal scene it helps to be interested in the politics so you can understand better why things are how they are and how to deal with it
a total amnesty on illegal gatherings would be seen by the rest of society as giving into criminals.
i was not talking about a total amnmesty with the scene i was suggesting that a big part of the problems with a rave is the abilty or the police to control a lage group of mashed youngters in some deserted quarry or deep in a forest. if they cannot oversee any situation then they cannot gaurantee order. this is a huge issue as if there is any form of atempted contact with the sound system no one id prepared to admit any partof organising the event. the partie goers are very protective of the arty and dont want the police to spoil their fun.
so if there is some residents that have been woken in the night by the music and have rang the police to get some reasurance that they have nothing to fear from the ravers and the police will beable to prove they are in control of the situation. imagine after a complaint the music is turned down and the residents are reasured that they are safe in thier beds. this would be a win win situation for both the police and rig owners.all it takes is a oble phone number that can be used if there is any problem arising as a result of the party. such a little bit of give and take would make a world of difference
during one of the bank holidays three years ago we went to a tek ion the ridgeway in oxford shire. when we arrived in the morning the police had blocked the entrance to the party. we were forced to leave our van and walk up. as we passed the officers one of them called me back and asked if i knew who was organising the rave. i explaned that i could not give him that info for obious reasons. he then told me the rave was to be shut down as he was unsure of the abilty of any emergensy vechiles to access the site. i then offerd to give him my moble number and agreed to help inform those who were involved if any problelm needed sorting.
he also agreed to let our van go up and the event was allowed to run the holiday. the phone was used one time only to find out how many people there were left on the monday.
this is what i meant with an amnesty, by given a form of comunication it i didnt make the rave legal it did not allow ravers the right to break the law but it made much more comfortable for all concernd
I disagree, a lot of ravers I’ve met especially the older on the scene or rig crews are more interested in politics than most ‘normal’ people
i perhaps failed to put my point over more clearly. i was trying to say that the party scene is not used as a pollitical stage where dissatisfied young people could air thier veiiws and plan some sort of antisocial behavior to wind the powers to be up. in that respect they are not political they just get wasted on the music etc.till its time to go home. the rave scene is not a political movement in any shape or form.
Some of them are – until their own children or their friends kids succumb to doing excessive amounts of drugs because of the rave culture (including legal raves) and then their minds change.
you only need to look at how the liberal journalists of the Guardian changed their views on cannabis because their own teenage kids were doing too much of it and suffering mood swings.
At least two of the parents of the murdered prostitutes in Ipswich said their girls got into drugs due to the club / party scene. Most non ravers don’t know or don’t care about the difference between free parties and licensed events, and TBH there is a equal level of extreme drug use at either of them anyway..
true but a minority of peoples actions gets them all judged.
As you mentioned race, I’m British Asian – proud to be so and far from being on the “fringes” of society this is my country and I feel happy to be part of British society. I have a professional job and work hard at it, contributing both to my employers and some wider open source software projects (which are in turn helping people in the developing world get electric and telecommunications which we all take for granted).
About 3 years and two months ago, a number of angry men the same skin colour as me made bombs and exploded them in our capital city. In doing so they wiped out 25 years of social progress, and that progress has still not come back. Although my close friends of course accept me and my work colleagues have to because of my position, I still feel wider society now judges me once more like they once did back in the 1980s before wider racial integration – all because of the action of a few.
That, sadly, is how Britain (and many other nations) society currently works.
lots of people suffer from that stress but don’t even break the laws (however unjust) to get away from it. most are content with pubs or drinking at home or attending legal entertainment venues. it doesn’t matter to the rest of society. If disaffected youths kick off in the streets because of stresses or turn on one another (like they are doing in London) they just get locked down like they did back in 1981 and 1985.
incidentally the whole of London is now on Section 60 (another part of the CJA) because of all the stabbings.
its still activism as you are actively disobeying laws what where voted for in Parliament – people are assembling in numbers and occupying property that does not belong to them and making a noisy “demonstration” of their presence
something like crasher or HTID isn’t a political movement because its been organised via licensing and the market – money has been paid for the “right” to dance.
although we have some access rights in England they are only for “quiet recreation” rather than playing loud music which has always had conditions on time and duration. (even in your own house)
i perhaps failed to put my point over more clearly. i was trying to say that the party scene is not used as a pollitical stage where dissatisfied young people could air thier veiiws and plan some sort of antisocial behavior to wind the powers to be up. in that respect they are not political they just get wasted on the music etc.till its time to go home. the rave scene is not a political movement in any shape or form.
As GL said gathering together on land against the law is a kind of political demonstration – whether it’s people’s intention or not it sends the message that despite the fact they make it illegal we disagree and will go ahead anyway – the ‘down wit da babylon’ mentality is political although most of those people are idiots. What your saying about having events and minimising the impact on locals, talking to the police etc turning down music when asked and providing a compromise, that is the essense of politics surely!
If this place is called ding quarry there is a active protest group which claims that there is lots of wildlife/nature and historical intrest stuff there
and there are plans to make it a working quarry once again
and unfortunately they may not be on the side of the ravers
In urban areas, crime, vandalism and blight often benefit property speculators. The reopening of the moorland tracks to motorised vehicles may have a similar foreseeable consequence. The law can be applied to halt this damage but it requires a will to do so and resources to enforce it.
which would mean its possible the locals called 999 to the rave as they felt that it being “allowed” was part of some “conspiracy” to get the quarry reopened
Ironically the locals also protested there in the 1990s and a fair few got arrested by GMP! no riot gear but they hauled off some old codger, yet I bet the same ones who got nicked often support the cops shutting down the rave (even though they don’t cause that much eco damage providing people bury their shit)
this is what I mean about lack of solidarity amongst activists…
He said music licensing laws….
the entertainment liicence iis given when the council is satisfied that people will not be dsturbed and that health and safety issues are dealt with.. and of couse loads of money for the licence
Now OB are pricks okay i ain’t siding with them. I Watched the two videos carefully and those ravers didn’t do themselves any favours. From the vids imo the ravers inflamed that situation. People say policed brutality but what the fuck did they expect. If you push police in a manner that those ravers did, then the police are fully within their rights to act in that way. As soon as that line is crossed then everyone is a target in the police’s eyes. Standard procedure i’m afraid.
Fair enough they were heavy handed but fucking hell, their not gonna hit people with feather dusters now are they !!! :you_crazy
i like that guys spelling of teknival
part of the CJA)
what can you tell me about this law. is it the original rave law that was in use before the criminal justices sec 63. is there a place where i can check it out i cant get anything up on line. thanks very much
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