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  • Of course this isn’t at all limited to Wales – but IMO it is worse nowadays

    I went to a fairly rough secondary school in Reading (2nd in TVP juvenile crime league tables!) but although there were fights, gang activity (mostly organised shoplifting) and some bullying, real violence where cops got involved or people needed hospital treatment was virtually unknown of.. about 5 incidents maybe from 1984 to 1990 when I was there…

    Survey reveals high teen violence
    Almost 2,500 children in Wales have attacked other youngsters in the past 12 months, according to police figures. Wales’ biggest survey of teenage behaviour also found one in six boys had set upon another child in the past year, aiming to cause serious harm.
    Six in 10 boys and four in 10 girls said they believed they could beat up someone else if they were provoked.
    Charity Communities That Care said more could be done to teach young people to resolve disputes without violence.
    Some 13,000 children were questioned for BBC Wales’ Week in Week Out in a survey carried out for the programme by the charity.

    This wasn’t kids not getting on. This wasn’t teenagers being teenagers. This was an assault
    Paul Scanlon, Amy’s father
    Ann Fairnington of Communities That Care said: “Perhaps we are not giving young people the skills they need to be able to resolve disputes in other ways, apart from fighting,” she said.
    “I think that perhaps there has been too much emphasis in schools on academic results and perhaps less emphasis on social skills, and learning how to resolve a dispute, how to explain to somebody that you are angry without just thumping them.”
    Police forces in Wales do not usually categorise assaults by the age of the victim or the attacker.

    TEENAGERS AND VIOLENCE
    15% of boys aged 14-16 say they attacked another child with the idea of causing serious harm in the past year
    60% of boys aged 14-16 said it was alright to beat someone else up, if the other person started the fight; 44% of girls aged 14-15 said the same

    But Week In Week Out asked all four Welsh forces to break down their figures. The results revealed that there had been nearly 2,500 assaults by children on children in the past year.
    One victim of violence is Amy Scanlon, 13, who was walking home with a friend in Cardiff when she was attacked by a gang of teenagers, some of whom she knew.
    Kicked and punched
    “They were holding my friend back, and one of the boys kicked me. Another boy was holding me so that they could kick and punch me again,” Amy told the programme.
    Then the gang dragged her into woodland, near a deep ravine. “I thought they were going to push me down there. I thought they were going to kill me,” she said.

    Amy was kicked, punched and stamped on, and left with bruises over her entire body. She could also barely see through one eye. Her family contacted the police and one girl was eventually cautioned. But they feel the system has let their daughter down.
    “To see your daughter battered, absolutely battered – and then to find out it was kids in and around the same age – it’s unbelievable,” said Amy’s father, Paul Scanlon.
    “This wasn’t kids not getting on. This wasn’t teenagers being teenagers.
    “This was an assault. And if I’d done that, I’d have been locked up,” he said.
    Week In Week Out is broadcast on BBC 1 Wales at 2235 BST, on Tuesday.

    Story from BBC NEWS:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/wales/4372820.stm

    Published: 2005/10/25 05:39:41 GMT

    © BBC MMV

    Mwy o ymosodiadau gan blant

    _40944438_amyscanloninjuries203.jpg Mae bron i 2,500 o blant yng Nghymru wedi ymosod ar blant eraill dros y 12 mis diwethaf yn ôl ffigyrau gan yr heddlu.
    Mae’r arolwg mwyaf erioed o ymddygiad pobl ifanc yng Nghymru wedi dangos hefyd bod 15% o fechgen wedi ymosod ar rywun gyda’r bwriad o greu niwed y llynedd.
    Roedd chwe bachgen a phedair merch ymhob 10 yn credu ei bod yn iawn i rywun guro rhywun arall os oedd y person hwnnw wedi cychwyn ymladd.
    Dywedodd yr elusen Communities That Care bod modd gwneud mwy i addysgu plant a phobl ifanc i ddatrys dadleuon heb drais.
    Cafodd 13,000 o blant eu holi ar draws Cymru gan yr elusen ar gyfer rhaglen materion cyfoes BBC Cymru, Week In Week Out.
    “Efallai nad ydan ni’n rhoi’r sgiliau i bobl ifanc i ddatrys dadleuon a phroblemau mewn ffyrdd gwahanol i ymladd,” meddai Ann Fairnington o’r elusen.
    “Dwi’n meddwl bod ‘na ormod o bwyslais ar ganlyniadau economaidd yn yr ysgol a dim digon ar sgiliau cymdeithasol a sut i ddatrys dadleuon, sut i egluro wrth rywun eich bod yn flin heb ymosod arnyn nhw.”
    Dydi heddluoedd yng Nghymru ddim fel arfer yn categoreiddio oedran y dioddefwr na’r ymosodwr.
    Ceunant
    Ond mae rhaglen Week In Week Out wedi gofyn i bob un o’r pedwar llu i edrych ar eu ffigyrau ac mae’r canlyniadau yn dangos bod bron i 2,500 o ymosodiadau wedi bod gan blant ar blant y llynedd.
    Un o’r dioddefwyr oedd Amy Scanlon, 13 oed, a oedd yn cerdded adref o’r ysgol gyda ffrind yng Nghaerdydd pan ymosododd criw o bobl ifanc, rhai yr oedd yn eu hadnabod, arni.
    “Roedden nhw’n dal fy ffrind yn ôl ac fe giciodd un bachgen fi,” eglurodd.
    “Roedd bachgen arall yn fy nal fel bod y lleill yn gallu fy nghicio a’m dyrnu eto.”
    _40944446_paulscanlon203.jpg
    Llusgodd y criw Amy i goedwig gyfagos gyda cheunant dwfn.
    “Roeddwn i’n meddwl eu bod am fy nhaflu i lawr y ceunant ac roeddwn i’n meddwl eu bod am fy lladd.”
    Cafodd ei chicio sawl gwaith, fe wnaethon nhw sefyll arni a gadael cleisiau ar draws ei chorff a phrin yr oedd yn gallu gweld drwy un llygad.
    Fe wnaeth ei theulu gysylltu gyda’r heddlu ac fe gafodd un ferch rybudd. Ond maen nhw’n ofni bod y system wedi eu siomi.
    “I weld eich merch wedi cael ei churo, ac i wybod mai plant oedd yn gyfrifol – plant yr un oed – mae’n anghredadwy,” meddai tad Amy, Paul Scanlon.
    “Nid plant yn methu tynnu ymlaen oedd hyn. Nid plant yn bod yn blant. Roedd hyn yn ymosodiad.
    “Petawn i wedi gwneud hyn fe fyddwn i wedi cael fy nghloi mewn cell,” ychwanegodd.
    Week In Week Out ar BBC Un Cymru am 2235 ddydd Mawrth.

    i don’t think this was anything new

    the village where I grew up was dominated by handful of violent kids who were sucked up to by most of the other kids (out of fear or dumb glorification it doesn’t matter)

    i was too busy skateboarding and trying to find out where the best hash came from to care about all that macho shit

    but i was attacked on loads of occasions, with weapons like broken bottles, by 14 year olds, resulting in my front teeth (top and bottom) being smahed, broken nose twice, burst blood vessles in my eyes, cuts and facial scars that I have to this day, I even required facial surgery on three ocassions before the age of 15…:sick_toot

    i stress that this wasn’t because i was a twat, just disinterested in their competetive gossiping and backbiting… an unforgivable crime if your ‘reputation’ depends upon respect (through competetive gossiping and backbiting)

    this was in a small, close-knit community, semi-rural etc not in an inner city

    i reckon it’s being going on since the dawn of man

    apes do it

    so do ‘we’ (or those of us who are throwbacks to our hairy arse primate ancestors)

    it a really nasty thing to go through, but humiliation is better than retaliation… a few years later I got most of the main aggressors back by lighting up a fat ‘spliff’ of kitchen herbs to pas around when they all finally caught on to weed etc and came to me for supplies (damn cheek)

    watching them rolling on the floor, claiming to be seeing things after a couple of puffs of taragon only to reveal

    ‘that wasn’t a spliff’ 😛

    won over most of their weak minded sheep-like followers…

    as i say, nothing new IMO

    there’s always been a fair amount of teenage violence – but for a few years at least in Reading (hardly a social paradise) it was noticeably calmer as far as violence was concerned,

    I’m about 4 yrs older than globalloon, the area I was in was a mixture of “inner city” and “suburban”

    this was the time of full on 80s political correctness, they deliberately mixed up all the ethnic groups in this school, I was initially out of catchment area but was put in this place to make up the numbers of Asians (ironically nowadays no school takes out of area kids if they could avoid it)

    they’d bring in black people from the other side of the city (a bus ran there)

    and then you had the white suburban kids

    you’d expect there to be bare ruckus in the classroom every day – but surprisingly there wasn’t. of course a few people had beef with one another but it was a handful, rest of us would rather chill out…

    we even stopped fighting the schools in the other areas

    it wasn’t at all a goody two shoes place, there was lots of pot smoking and shoplifting gangs and the 80s equivalent of warez groups swapping pirate computer games, videos etc (not that i was involved of course…)

    there were a few wannabe hard nuts but I never got any major grief from them (and I am not a big guy), also racism was virtually non-existent

    so I can’t work out why my area was actuallly OK – its Reading FFS! Reading is a shithole – all of it! maybe that’s what brought us together….

    that’s interesting stuff, GL

    while busing kids accross the city messes up all kinds of things like extra-curricular activites and social networks, perhaps it breaks down the territoral nature of local schooling?

    globalloon wrote:
    that’s interesting stuff, GL

    while busing kids accross the city messes up all kinds of things like extra-curricular activites and social networks, perhaps it breaks down the territoral nature of local schooling?

    that could be quite right, also the mixing of races..

    the after school clubs in our school were dead anyway, the teachers stopped them as part of the strike when they withdrew goodwill and they never came back (not even today).

    we made our own social networks and extra-curricular activities (albeit in some cases things that teachers or cops wouldn’t agree with) some of us were left to roam the school and (as we had an informal agreement with some teachers and trusted not to trash the place too bad!) had access to places like computer rooms (this is how I learnt IT and programming skills I use to this day)

    all of us are now in our 30s now

    I still see some of my school friends now and then, and although many have been through all sorts including HMP there’s still quite a culture of non-violence (or at least minimising physical conflict) amongst our generation..

    after schhol clubs are relatively recent around here

    they are run as voluntary organisations, with a paid co-ordinator and then they depend on volunteers (parents and people who want experience of working with children for job applications)

    although i do know a couple of teachers who run after school sessions on a voluntary basis, but the individuals i’m talking about are newly qualified and maybe more enthusiastic than the old school, excuse the pun

    in my close circel fo friends, some of who i grew up with, some think violence is pointless, some regularly get into fights, even in their 30s

    sad. but true

    of the people who used to smash my face in as a kid, i still see some around the place, most are doing shitty, poorly paid, dead end jobs and are married to fat, ugly loud mouthed sows, with a string of pudding faced offspring

    so that’s my justice:lol_big:

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