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  • Do you think in the current climate university is a good idea?

    So in a nut shell I have worked through my last year at school, after school I worked and went to college to study art. This was good but at 17 I was quite immature at told to move out (I wasnt a bad teenager but my dad got a new misus and baby in the house) I had to stay at my nans which worked badly. After college I worked full time and had to find a way to move out of hers. I then met Jason moved to brighton and got a new job and after a year we had a baby. Its now been 2years since my last job ( which were all dead end min wage jobs) and I really need to think about my future.

    I love art and my dream job would be based around it. I really want to study as I can learn to improve my skills, use their resources ( which is important in art because artists tools are expensive as is finding somewhere to do it.) and make friends.

    I understand how important realistic goals are and as we all know subjects like art have a low percentage of students going on to develop careers.

    So Im thinking its not a great idea, should I just find something else to study ? ( baring in mind studying with a child is quite hard so it would have to be something I am motivated for)

    its difficult as most paying “art” jobs are graphic design of corporate stuff anyway and it tends to be 40-50 somethings who get the better ones anyway. Physical stuff like ceramics etc can of course be sold but competition from supermarket kit is intense.

    TBH given the skills you have already I would say unless you want to make a giant structure/installation it would be cheaper to buy the kit required and self-teach using the Internet than pay current uni fees. however if you do feel attending uni/college is a good idea I’d suggest learning a foreign language if you do not already understand one.

    French, German and Dutch are particularly valuable in art/design as much comes from there.

    Mandarin even more so but way more difficult (so perhaps worth learning with a proper teacher).

    I did briefly go to uni but dropped out after 2 years as the stuff I wanted to do (multimedia) hadn’t been invented yet and the profs said it was too frivolous and would never happen.

    Although high school taught me my basic grounding in French and provided me with resources (in the 80s computers were too expensive for many families to afford) mostly all my language skills and computer/electronic skills are self taught.

    I think University is an AMAZING idea.

    I mean, you get lots of rich twats and take £9 grand off them each, regardless of the quality of tuition. You expect them to saddle themselves with epic debt.

    Then you expect the buggers to hang around the UK when they’re qualified. I guess the stupid ones will.

    Yes, it’s a fantastic system. Brought in by people who went to University completely free, of course. Brought to us from America where of course there is no elitisim based on ownership whatsoever.

    (This post is brought to you courtesy of the Electronic Mandelson® device.)

    @General Lighting 550701 wrote:

    its difficult as most paying “art” jobs are graphic design of corporate stuff anyway and it tends to be 40-50 somethings who get the better ones anyway. Physical stuff like ceramics etc can of course be sold but competition from supermarket kit is intense.

    TBH given the skills you have already I would say unless you want to make a giant structure/installation it would be cheaper to buy the kit required and self-teach using the Internet than pay current uni fees. however if you do feel attending uni/college is a good idea I’d suggest learning a foreign language if you do not already understand one.

    French, German and Dutch are particularly valuable in art/design as much comes from there.

    Mandarin even more so but way more difficult (so perhaps worth learning with a proper teacher).

    I did briefly go to uni but dropped out after 2 years as the stuff I wanted to do (multimedia) hadn’t been invented yet and the profs said it was too frivolous and would never happen.

    Although high school taught me my basic grounding in French and provided me with resources (in the 80s computers were too expensive for many families to afford) mostly all my language skills and computer/electronic skills are self taught.

    Thanks General, I was thinking along the lines of illustration, flyer design ect rather than ‘gallery art’ – I could get into uni for art as I have a small qualification and a fair portfolio. Language (German) would be awesome, but that is something I do not have supporting qualifications for and academic studies I find really really difficult. (I think its fair to have some integrity by admitting what intellectual level you are, I for one have always struggled with anything in that area )

    The fees of course area pain but I wouldn’t have to pay back until I do earn a fair amount, and i wouldn’t ever get a bank loan on top of it.

    Do it before we all get moved into these NWO FEMA camps and you have to collect your meals though a machine in the wall and pay with credits that you works all week to steal!!!!

    @thelog 550718 wrote:

    Do it before we all get moved into these NWO FEMA camps and you have to collect your meals though a machine in the wall and pay with credits that you works all week to steal!!!!

    HA!

    SAVE OUR SOULS ALEXJ

    @thelog 550718 wrote:

    Do it before we all get moved into these NWO FEMA camps and you have to collect your meals though a machine in the wall and pay with credits that you works all week to steal!!!!

    hmm – but thats just the same as the current trend to semi outsourced halls of residence and computerised refectories (dining halls) at modern campus based Universities… 😉

    i think to find your answer for this some perspectives could be considered… i have a creative arts degree (music) and at no point have i regretted it, but maybe another in my position might. i haven’t made very much money from it yet, but my perspective has for a long time been, that its more important for me to do something creative/enjoyable than have misery but money. i’m not looking for a society thats core is selfish madness to fulfil me, but if it does for a moment in time decide that my work is of value then i will be grateful, but also if it doesn’t happen thats fine too, i’ll still continue to enjoy creativity and the freedoms my soul experiences from this

    the difficulty is with arts and money is that you need to tightrope walk a balance between true expression, which is something that doesn’t exist in the structures of profit making, and making a commodity. then comes the question; is it even possible to make something that is true expression thats also designed to be a commodity? if it isn’t, then if you make something with the purposes of making money, is that really art?

    so another perspective of this is, is this a pursuit one should take if the goal is making money?… or at the same time worth doing if the pursuit is acceptance by society?…

    but maybe you may like to do something where you mix in a bit… there is an element of creativity but there is a business element too, such as graphic design. thats great (i’d say). it still has some creativity but also has some grounding in society. it is a trade off, but maybe one that fits your requirements… but if that is the preferred direction it may be better to begin on a graphic design course rather than a fine art course. also there are other options, but it would take a while to go through them all, just the trade off’s with each are for you to consider.

    if you are going to study art for pure creativity; your soul on a canvas etc then i would suggest that you consider if you are ‘ok’ with all outcomes. it may take a long time before you get any recognition from society. you may put vast energy into organising exhibitions and doing your works, but never really make any significant inroads… thats not to say that if you work hard at it you won’t become an amazing artist, completely the opposite actually: if you have a passion for your craft and you work hard at it and let your soul come through, you will become a great artist, there is no doubt about that, but it doesn’t mean that your work will become an acceptable commodity for today, and maybe thats a good thing, but in this circumstance you won’t receive external recognition, that can be quite fickle in its decisions if what is and isn’t worthy. it is quite a regression of thought to hope a selection of people grounded in the search of commodity will recognise your work and view it through an unconditioned, unbiased lens, because that will never happen. you may get lucky and they will decide actually your true expression is just the commodity they were looking for today… and you may find you get recognition from other artists that won’t pay your bills

    also another perspective, when you look at the richest artists, such as damian hurst… is his soul or his business model being expressed?

    maybe all this is going off on a tangent you may be less interested in but for me they are things that for anyone trying to compromise creativity and business should consider.

    in terms of uni, this for me quite an opening experience and one i’d definitely recommend for you. having the influence of teachers that have experience of your chosen path and sharing time with students that have similar passions to you is really fun, and you develop so fast and your mind develops and forms a new mould. you are constantly challenged and getting through those challenges with short term goals develops in a way that is difficult to achieve on your own.

    if you are going to go, look to make your application as strong as you can (relative to you of course), so that you can have the best university experience

    hope that helps x

    Maybe doing a few shorter art courses first might be a good idea? Then you get a feel for what would be to come if you chose to do a full degree, and it’s not such a money synk.

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