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  • IDK if it was pills or ‘molly’. Young kids relatively speaking though: 22, 21 and 22. This is sad, I wonder what else if anything they took and how experienced with MDMA any of them were. Irrelevant because they’re dead but it is almost always my first thought when there are casualties from party drugs. All the people were pronounced dead at night, logically I think they might have been getting drunk during the day and the dehydration was compounded by MDMA, or they took a heroic dose like an eighth of an ounce at once.

    Los Angeles County banned this same festival after an underage kid died, if my memory is correct, San Bernardino County is good alternative for the promoters because the area would like the boost to the economy and a giant race track is a good place to host such an event. Only problem is it is really hot in Fontana. At these summer festivals you have to get out of your tent around 10 am or else you put yourself at risk for heat related illness.

    The amount of MDMA in pills now is massive. I would hate to think if my son ever did MDMA he whacked that much into his body at once.. 220mg and reports of 240mg pills make that seem a common dose these days as there are lots about at that dose.

    @tryptameanie 987161 wrote:

    The amount of MDMA in pills now is massive. I would hate to think if my son ever did MDMA he whacked that much into his body at once.. 220mg and reports of 240mg pills make that seem a common dose these days as there are lots about at that dose.

    I would warn the lad if you haven’t done so already.

    He is at the age when he will be becoming interested in “that sort of thing”.

    If his Mum won’t let you talk to him directly with such stuff front of her, there is usually some opportunity where you both of you can go for a walk in the moors or to somewhere like the railways museums and say to him “Now, son, if tha’ will tak’ these things, then be careful I tell thee…”

    OK I know you don’t actually speak like that and its more like a dude closer to Yorkshire a decade or two older :laugh_at: would speak but it fits in more with the atmosphere of such a discussion. :laugh_at:

    OK some lasses reading might throw their hands up in horror at this “outdated gender stereotyping” and it does sound like a bit of a ITV sitcom straight from late 1970s/early 80s but there are times when it might still be required..

    My own Dad did stuff like this, and encouraged me to read medical books and stuff about dosages as well. That is a big reason why I survived the 80s and 90s, and how I landed the career I am in today (and why I can be confident he did indeed get into Heaven with Mum)…

    If your lad does choose to indulge (he might not even want to go near drugs at all) then its easy enough for the both of you to obtain something for splitting pills or at the pharmacies (if you do not look old enough yourself to be needing medications, then they can be for “nan or grandad”, people even in England still often have older friends they call “Nan/Grandad” who aren’t 100% biologically related).

    Otherwise useful (but not dangerous or weapon like) blades/knives, small storage boxes are just the sort of thing a father and son might both purchase at a model/crafts shop just before Christmas “as you are making some gifts/decorations for the rest of the family out of reused materials”. Measuring and weighing equipment is also perfectly legit to buy for lots of uncontroversial scientific hobbies – you might also want to encourage your lad to also take up one of these hobbies with “dual use” equipment. That way it doesn’t look suspicious to his mum either…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Yeah, as GL has said have that talk sooner rather than later.

    I saw a kid take 300mg for their first time and they ended up being okay and seemed like they were having a good time, but from the outside it was obvious that doing that much with all of your serotonin in place is questionable at best.

    As far as the shopping GL mentions, the pill cutter or pocket knife makes sense but you’re going to catch some looks buying a scale with your son, lol.

    @Digital Buddha 987168 wrote:

    As far as the shopping GL mentions, the pill cutter or pocket knife makes sense but you’re going to catch some looks buying a scale with your son, lol.

    Depends how you go about it. There are quite a few hobbies where (if purchased with other items) it would not look that suspicious, such as building a miniature model aircraft where weight it critical, its also common to add weight to model railway trains to prevent them from derailing at speed on corners. Fishing lures also require known weights, folk also (especially in the regions where Tryptameanie lives) do stuff like recreate medieval manuscripts and art and mix their own inks and pigments like the monks once used to…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Fair enough, I meant buying the scale without anything else.

    TBH you can also buy the scales no questions asked from Amazon at least in UK and DE – not sure how accurate they are but they do sell calibration weights to go with the better ones. However with a modern “Europill” you can just divide it into halves or quarters which would bring the dosages to safe levels..

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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    @tryptameanie 987161 wrote:

    The amount of MDMA in pills now is massive. I would hate to think if my son ever did MDMA he whacked that much into his body at once.. 220mg and reports of 240mg pills make that seem a common dose these days as there are lots about at that dose.

    What is the reason of a MDMA death???

    I have been taken with a friend around the years 2000 at one time 8 pills of MDMA containing 70 mg, and feeling nothing after 1 hour, we swallowed 10 pills more. (it was in a beginning afternoon)

    I can remember that not long after (maybe 15 mintes later), we both feelt the 8 first effect beginning and we had both the UNRESPONSIBLE STUPID SMILE thinking O-OHHHHWW…., WHAT DID WE JUST DONE….

    2-3 HOURS later when the 18 pills where full in effect, i can’t really remember how we really felt , but i can good remember that i waked up in the evening and i was transpiring very much an extasy smell out of my full body.

    But no overdose , i would say today luckily, EVEN with a 18 x 70 mg = 1260 mg dose (~1,25 gr MDMA) . WHAT amount is normally reported to be a lethal dose (i must say that we where habituated to take a few times a week always 5-8 at once)
    (it may be explained with a body tolerance)!!!!

    MDMA LD50 in rats is 350mg/kg oral, or in other words a lot. It’s usually other stuff rather than an overdose that kills MDMA users.

    @iliesse 987181 wrote:

    What is the reason of a MDMA death???

    I have been taken with a friend around the years 2000 at one time 8 pills of MDMA containing 70 mg, and feeling nothing after 1 hour, we swallowed 10 pills more. (it was in a beginning afternoon)

    I can remember that not long after (maybe 15 mintes later), we both feelt the 8 first effect beginning and we had both the UNRESPONSIBLE STUPID SMILE thinking O-OHHHHWW…., WHAT DID WE JUST DONE….

    2-3 HOURS later when the 18 pills where full in effect, i can’t really remember how we really felt , but i can good remember that i waked up in the evening and i was transpiring very much an extasy smell out of my full body.

    But no overdose , i would say today luckily, EVEN with a 18 x 70 mg = 1260 mg dose (~1,25 gr MDMA) . WHAT amount is normally reported to be a lethal dose (i must say that we where habituated to take a few times a week always 5-8 at once)
    (it may be explained with a body tolerance)!!!!

    @Digital Buddha 987182 wrote:

    MDMA LD50 in rats is 350mg/kg oral, or in other words a lot. It’s usually other stuff rather than an overdose that kills MDMA users.

    In iliesses case it would certainly be tolerance; as he mentions taking pills in late 1980s. I was still in high school then! I knew what they were, but didn’t know any dealers and at £20/€25 a time couldn’t afford them anyway.

    Overheating and major organ failure are the usual medical causes shown in European Coroners reports. There are some cases of polydrug abuse but since 2014 especially a rise in MDMA only fatal OD’s in the UK (and less commonly NL but the warnings were circulated far quicker).

    Unfortunately I can’t get figures for DE (in spite of monitoring Polizei Bayern press releases) as their Police reports only say “death from drugs” and not anything else, possibly due to privacy / youth protection laws.

    The recent victims seem to fall into two categories:

    * Adolescents aged 14-18 with little previous drugs use taking 250mg or more at one dose.

    * People in late youth (age 35-55) who have abstained due to family/career responsibilities, then attend an event for “old times sake” and forget their tolerance has worn off.

    Recent research hints that females may be at slightly greater risk dependent on where they are on their menstrual cycle (due to oestrogen levels and overheating), I suspect though for both genders there is a very fine line between what is fun and what is unpleasant or even dangerous with respect to MDMA doses.

    A lot of coroners, cops and health authorities worldwide don’t want to give exact lethal doses to the media as not only do they vary with weight and gender, and feel it is like putting up a 40 km/h speed limit sign. They all know well some folk will try and get away with doing 60km/h or more if no one is watching, or will think they can drive 40 km/h everywhere when there are school children and seniors crossing the road. (it is after all the same folk who deal with the aftermath of road collisions).

    In Europe we try to put 30 or even 20km/h signs up in busy areas and build safer road layouts, which is what we should be doing with drugs.

    on a related note I strongly feel one harm reduction idea should be to have more smaller events in local towns than just a handful of clubs in big cities and festivals 200km away, that way there is less DUI amongst people who go to the events (which kills more people than drugs on its own)

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    I agree with all of that GL, especially the bit about local events, we have a ton of niche smaller festivals in America, that is something our music scene has going for it.

    In the MDMA only overdoses, it often is from dancing a ton and overheating, if someone took MDMA at a house party and sat on a couch it’d take more to kill them than at a music festival or a club where they’re lots of warm bodies and physical exertion.

    On the other hand listing the amount that the person took might make some people wary of matching that dose, kind of mixed bag. Some folks would try to beat the dosage and others wouldn’t.


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    Yeah, as GL has said have that talk sooner rather than later.

    I saw a kid take 300mg for their first time and they ended up being okay and seemed like they were having a good time, but from the outside it was obvious that doing that much with all of your serotonin in place is questionable at best.

    As far as the shopping GL mentions, the pill cutter or pocket knife makes sense but you’re going to catch some looks buying a scale with your son, lol.

    It is clear that the xtc i took in t1987 for the first time were certainly around the high values mesured today as 1 was really the heavy orgasmic dose. BUT THEY WERE 80-100 SWISS FRANK FOR 1 GELULLE.

    IN THE 90’S THE PRICES GET LOWER , BUT THE DOSES PROPORTIONNALY DROPPED DOWN ALSO TO END TO 15 SWISS FRANK (15 $) FOR 1 … 100 $ FOR 10 PILL … 6000 $ FOR 1000 PILLS.

    (I BOUGHT THEM IN THE 2000’S FOR 1 €/Pill IN Amsterdam up 5’000 pills, but they where only around 70 to 100 mg (if lucky) in these years in a pill) and were sold 5€/Pill up 1’000 pills.

    XTC has been when i was a (M*****r d****r) but honest & with morality rules a very lucrativ market.
    BUT I wouldn’t play that game anymore today’s. with ll that terror we face , the chance being controlled is certainly much more risky now.

    (if I talk openly about that, is cuz the drug prosecution prescription time is 15 years in my country which passed already)
    I was in that question surprised that GL wrotte once that UK prescription time for drug crimes are only 5 years???

    the 5 years I posted was referring to the average prison sentence a class A dealer who was charged would get from the Courts (of which only half is actually served in prison, the rest out on license).

    The “prescription time” you refer to here is what we call “statute of limitations”, the maximum time that can elapse between someone committing a crime and prosecutors being able to charge someone for it. This is I think around 10 years for minor drugs offences.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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