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    General Lighting Britain is still bound by UN rules to restrict drug use.

    Is Holland is part of the UN is it not? They have a far more honest and open drugs education policy and sex education as well than many other places in Europe, to my understanding,

    The issues around sex are far more openly expresed and learnt in Holland also to my understanding, they have a relertiverly low teanager pregnance rate, as compaired to my home Country of the UK!

    Their open attitude about drugs has created less of a sub culture and more of an open culture, (for instance) you can go to most Coffey shops and have a hash cake and a spliff with your coffey, if you wanted to.

    Holland has a thriving influential cultraul scene of artists, writers and musicans and a good creative atmosphere with exceptance and understanding. Some of my favorite elctronic music has originated from Holland and they have a freindly and safe party scene aswell.

    Drugs and there properties and effects, both short term and long are more openly able to be discused and excepted in Holland, as it is less of a taboo subject, to learn about how drugs work and the short term and long effects of drugs.

    There seems to be in England, a lot of ignorance about the working substances of many drugs amongst actual users, and the endorphins of the Brain which certan drugs may triger. There is also an ignorance about the mentablisam, not just of people but also to their relationship in ballance to that of nature.

    happy mice wrote:
    Is Holland is part of the UN is it not? They have a far more honest and open drugs education policy and sex education as well than many other places in Europe.

    yes, they are part of the EU and the UN like Britain..

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    There open atertude about drugs has created less of a sub culture id say and more of an open culture, as you can go to most coffey shops and have a hash cake and a spliff with your coffey.

    I think us Brits look at NL with rose tinted specs. Drugs there are still a sub culture – its a bit more open but not unversally welcomed by all the Dutch, as if they have very grudgingly given in to the problem and would still rather people did not do them.

    I agree that high school education is much better there but from what I’ve read recently there appears to be a backlash from the Dutch people against their countries liberal policies,

    Particularly as the drugs trade is associated with foreigners and drug tourists, and all of Europe has become more racially polarised due to recent world events and intense competition caused by globalisation.

    This has been reflected in the results of democratic elections where more conservative governments have been elected by the will of the people. Bear in mind these are the same people who have had the benefit of the “better education!”

    Some now disagree with the liberal times in which they had their teenage years, and are obviously using their own free choice to call for more control, more “law and order”.

    Even so, the Dutch may not backtrack completely on their “liberal” drugs laws as it would cause chaos in their country – but it isn’t actually legalisation.

    There have recently been clampdowns on stuff like mushrooms and it seems that people get busted as hard as they do in other nations for pills, speed and for squatting or putting on illegal parties.

    For instance on two friendly forums I am on (here and network 23) there are threads from people asking about Dutch parties.

    No replies have been posted to the forum despite both forums having a number of Dutch users, so I suspect people just as paranoid to give newbies info which would imply that parties are also clamped down on by Dutch cops..

    It

    Makes me Sick,

    How

    Cheap Food, Is

    Always filled with JUNK.

    But

    Organic Food,

    is Always to Expensive

    For Poor PeoPle to

    Buy!

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    It Makes me Sick, How Cheap Food, Is Always filled with JUNK. But Organic Food, is Always to Expensive For Poor People to Buy!

    This is another example of how we live in a divided society.

    Good food helps to develop a healthy Brain and body.

    School kids who’s parents can only aford cheap food to feed their family’s,

    for example,

    are at an unfair disadvantage from rich pairents who can aford to by their

    family’s Organic food,

    or at least, less,

    MenTaBaL = DabLeD,

    FooD, if you get the gist!

    Grow your own? :groucho:

    Why On Earth Though, is presumably more “expensive”, SYNTHETICLY

    produced food, sold Cheaper in Super-Market’s

    Than, “presumably” cheaper, ORGANIC food, that cost a lot more to buy?

    it is all very well saying….

    Grow your own?

    But people living in flats, or in the inner citey, havent realy got anywhere

    to…

    Grow Their own

    for example,

    People who hold down rotten litle factorie jobs to pay there rent and earn

    thear crust, aint got Time to “Grow Their own”. OK, One can make one’s

    own exsistance to an extent, though I feel that such Money Laundering,

    freedom restricting, Capitalist Organisations, who polute our enviroments

    with their corparate waste and Polute our minds, with their corparate

    BuLLSHiT,

    Could at least take some, Corparate Responsibility and Not polute our

    bodys and the minds of our children with their labouritory created, and in

    some case, geneticaly manipulated, food products!

    exsistance

    sorry all, I was getting in to One Then !

    :yakk: AND ANYWAY, WHO whants to Pay, a BALLsHIT COUNCiL..

    …BALLsHIT MoNEY

    FOR A BALLsHIT aLLoTMenT.

    there is already a war in foreign lands to secure the resources to support our lifestyles, but there is also the risk of war coming home (such as increased terroriism and civil disturbances), on both a conventional political and karmic level.

    I feel strongly that there is no need for war!

    There is International understanding of technological advancies

    that if diplomaticaly agreed, could be consentrated on for sustaining

    resources to support our lifestyles.

    I do not see Religioun as being a barier or a reason for breaking fundermental

    human rights.

    We as a Human Race, have overcome the diferencies of lifstyle, culture and

    beliefs before historicaly and so we must and can again

    CHRISTANS HAVE LIVED BESIDE MUSLIMS IN PEACE BEFORE

    MUSLIMS HAVE LIVED BESIDE JEWS PECFULY BEFORE

    HINDUS HAVE LIVED HAPILLY BY SEEKS BEFORE

    ALL OF NATIONS HAVE LIVED PEACFULLY AND HAPPILY BESIDE

    EACH OTHER BEFORE

    SO WHAT IS THE TRUE VALUE OF WHAT WE LEARN ?

    jonahug wrote:
    What is the true value of Education?

    Well, judging by some of the responses on this thread, the value of education has little to do with being able to spell!!

    jonahug wrote:
    What Else do you think we should be tought through education?

    I teach ICT in a state run comprehensive secondary school and PART of what we do is produce a workforce for the future of the courty, but that’s not why I do it. I want to provide the youth of today with the skills they will need to get by in the real world when they leave school and have to look after themselves. With a good set of qualifications MANY more opportunities become available. With a limited set of qualifications LOTS of doors get slammed in young people’s faces.

    As for Brave New World – The current educational system (assessment, grades, targets, etc) coupled with the mass media (cellebrity society and the Number 1 career aspiration of young people being “to be famous”, not for anything, just to be “famous”) means that Britain is forced to rely on an immigrant workforce to do the jobs that nobody else wants to do. Don’t get me wrong, I love immigrants and I am pleased that somebody is willing to do the jobs that no educated person from this country is willing to do.

    We were recently told at a training session that boys do not have as much control over fine motion in their hands when they are young so they inevitable become frustrated at not being able to write neatly so they give up on education before they have even had a chance to start it. What hope is there for these boys if they are doomed to failure from day one?

    In Brave New World the seperate Castes could not understand how the rest lived the way they do, but were (mainly) happy with their own existance.

    Education is not here to produce a workforce that the top-dogs can control, everybody has their place in society and without bin-men our whole society would crumble. In Brave New World the “top” caste had very stressful jobs and actually one of their main tasks to was to keep the rest of the people happy (who is in control now?)

    I think British society is heading for a fall…

    Capitalism dictates that you can only be a success if you have a fat wallet and puts no emphasis on happiness.

    A while back I read a news article about a guy who had been offered a six-figure sallary in Hong-Kong, but he decided to give it a miss because he really enjoyed working with his mates as a bin-man, his bills got paid and he lived a happy life. This story was considered “news”.

    I try to get the best out of both worlds – I teach kids to try their best and to get the best chance of being successful at whatever they choose to be when they leave school. If they don’t try then doors get closed, but if they get a load of pieces of paper that say they can do maths, english and ICT then I am happy that I have provided them with the best chance to make their own choices about their future.

    On the other hand I also encourage students to do something that they enjoy, I encourage them to be accepting of all careers (I have given massive bollockings to students who insult bin-men, cleaners and shelf-stackers) and I encourage them to be true to themselves. Why aspire to be a great footballer if you are happiest in an art class? Why aspire to be totally work/money motivated when you get the most out of hanging out with your mates and getting pissed up (or should I say munted on Soma?)?

    Education should (and is) there to give young people oportunities. Unfortunately, because we force our young people to go through the system they think education is somethingthat gets done to them instead of seeing it as an oportunity to do something about their lives.

    When the only measure of success is grades there are inevitably going to be people who grow up thinking that they are a failure at life.

    I recently contacted an old school friend who was genuinely embarrassed to admit that he was a postman! I love the idea of being a postie or a bin-man with no responsibility and rather a lot of free time. Unfortunately I think I would just get bored though – hence my career choice (incidentally I would not be able to cope with much more responsibility though and I think most head-masters would have to be mental to do what they do).

    I think education should be about teaching young people how to be happy in their lives (yes, this does include reading, riting and rithmatic along with ICT, critical thinking, basic psychology, etc).

    Wouldn’t that be nice?

    My school would offer GCSE’s in hugging, getting off yer head successfully, being nice to other people, sharing, contentment, generosity, empathy, joy, love, chatting, introspection, etc.

    In the words of the two most influential characters in my life so far…

    “Be excellent to each other… and… PARTY ON DUDES!!” raaa

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