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  • just been on the phone to coop insurance to re insure my truck after a while of it being off road. the woman was very direct in asking whether it was a purpose built camper or a conversion. last time i was never asked so there was no lying to be done. its a big blue converted welfare bus that just screams “pull me and give me a producer” does anyone know who will insure it as legit as possible?

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    just been on the phone to coop insurance to re insure my truck after a while of it being off road. the woman was very direct in asking whether it was a purpose built camper or a conversion. last time i was never asked so there was no lying to be done. its a big blue converted welfare bus that just screams “pull me and give me a producer” does anyone know who will insure it as legit as possible?

    was the co-op price too high then (or do they no longer insure converted vehicles?) they are usually fairly right-on about these sort of things!

    They no longer insure converted vehicals. it has to of come straight from the factory as a motor home. They seem to have cottoned on to the fact that many people were using them for their beautiful colourfull trucks when they thought they were insureing a load of middleclass motorhomes. gutted…. so do i lie (they send someone round to your house to complete the forms) or do i go somewhere else? where? prices from them used to be pretty good as well? tried to insure it as just a truck but am always asked what i need it for so they won’t insure me cos they think it is comercial use on the sly….

    I know 1 or 2 people that live in vans… will ask 4 u…

    I’ve heard NFU mutual being mentioned but TBH I would be wary of using them because of who they are funded by….

    I’m inclined to actually ask CIS what made them make this decision – I may (somewhat reluctantly) be obtaining a motor vehicle soon ( a normal saloon car though ) so will also be need to look for good insurance suppliers/

    It may have been unavoidable as despite being more ethical they still have to make a profit, so if the risk of insuring converted vehicles is greater then they are within their rights to move away from an unprofitable business segment.

    That said, as part of monitoring how the authorities deal with raves and alternative lifestyles I read a lot of press releases from cop websites, including details of virtually every RTC and car theft that is reported – and I do not see any particular indication that converted motor homes are involved in any more collissions or incidents than any other form of vehicle..

    conversions have to be done to pretty specific standards for it to be legally roadworthy… for example, you have to have ‘real’ windows set into the panels, not pasted in jobbies that people use for ease (not saying that’s you or your bus)

    because these regulations are cover some hard to spot details, insurers can’t be bothered with checking up on each and every bus, so they don’t bother offering insurance at all… you represent a tiny part of their market

    £$£$£$

    a friend had a nice converted merc bus but had to give it away to someone who could afford to spend some serious time rebuilding the body work to make it legal as he didn’t have anywhere offroad to store it 😐

    An important thing is to keep your story straight. Insurers share a data base so if you tell one its one thing then you cannot tell another it is something else.
    I have insured campers in the past as vans, that happen to be carrying the interor of a caravan. I cannot see how they could argue with this, although I am sure they would. I never made a claim though.
    I have all ways found Cornish Mutural Assurance good in the past.

    Tombo wrote:
    An important thing is to keep your story straight. Insurers share a data base so if you tell one its one thing then you cannot tell another it is something else.

    they are also increasingly sharing this info with cops, DVLA/VOSA, HM Revenue and Customs as well!

    unfortunately we have only the gary boys / max power types to blame for the current situation. when insurers were less strict there was widespread abuse and fraud.

    Health and safety laws, although sometimes complicated are not passed for fun – but there is clearly a problem with vehicles being inexpertly modified and creating hazards to drivers, passengers and other road users.

    All modification of a safety-critical device such as a motor vehicle has potential risks. For an insurer to take on these risks would either entail raising premiums or other less risky motorists subsidising the more risky ones.

    In an extremely competitive market this can’t be done or the insurer risks losing market share of less problematic customers. This is called “customer segmentation” and is carried out in all businesses; those which offer lower prices now cherry pick easy customers and walk away from more problematic ones where a claim or other issue may wipe out the profit on the contract.

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    I have insured campers in the past as vans, that happen to be carrying the interor of a caravan. I cannot see how they could argue with this, although I am sure they would. I never made a claim though.
    I have all ways found Cornish Mutural Assurance good in the past.

    I will ask my friends who are going to Europe about which insurers they use.

    Incidentially I would expect the policy still only protects everyone if there is an RTC or so you can legally drive in the EU; if a vehicle was impounded or damaged because of the actions of a law enforcement agency (anywhere in the world) when the owner was breaking a law in the local jurisdiction there is usually an exemption clause in the policy which the insurers would use (otherwise criminals would claim for pranged getaway cars!)

    its an expensive game however you play it (face it, you are modifying a vehicle to drive hundreds of miles to use for a high-risk leisure activity, the insurers aren’t daft)

    but its good to see people actually wanting to be legit.

    In the old skool days people often didn’t even bother with insurance or licenses – worse, many didn’t even legitimately own the vehicle, which was often a family car belonging to a young mother (and sadly often ended up being burned out later).

    even today anti-rave operations are still led by traffic cops for this reason.

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