@starlaugh 231007 wrote:
What actually happened then??
Storm did a stage last year and wanted to be back again this year so it cant be all that bad??
some people did get paid … storm must have been… but as you remember there were 5 stages. one stage was run by a local crew who were promised £2000. they provided rig, crew and DJs (including some big names like scorio) for 3 days but on Monday were told that if they did not get off site the cops would be called and they would be arrested for trespassing. at this stage they had dismantled their shit and were 2 people waiting to collect their paycheck. other friends were in live acts performing on the main stage or had done infrastructure (sound engineering, lighting etc) all weekend and they were also kicked off site without getting paid
this is not the 1st time this outfit have done this. after most of their events they declare themselves bankrupt and do a director switcheroo and rip off hard working crews
i don’t want to spoil anyones fun… if you are going make the most of it, but just be aware that your ticket fee is going into the pockets of some very dishonest people who make out they are all fluffy but are actually some nasty rip off pieces of shit making a fast buck off the backs of the real party crews and party goers
that’s what happened
this is not the 1st time this outfit have done this. after most of their events they declare themselves bankrupt and do a director switcheroo and rip off hard working crews
i don’t want to spoil anyones fun… if you are going make the most of it, but just be aware that your ticket fee is going into the pockets of some very dishonest people who make out they are all fluffy but are actually some nasty rip off pieces of shit making a fast buck off the backs of the real party crews and party goers
that’s what happened
i heard the same
this is not the 1st time this outfit have done this. after most of their events they declare themselves bankrupt and do a director switcheroo and rip off hard working crews
i don’t want to spoil anyones fun… if you are going make the most of it, but just be aware that your ticket fee is going into the pockets of some very dishonest people who make out they are all fluffy but are actually some nasty rip off pieces of shit making a fast buck off the backs of the real party crews and party goers
that’s what happened
Ah I never heard this, if I had done I probably wouldn’t have supported them this time……….
this is not the 1st time this outfit have done this. after most of their events they declare themselves bankrupt and do a director switcheroo and rip off hard working crews
i don’t want to spoil anyones fun… if you are going make the most of it, but just be aware that your ticket fee is going into the pockets of some very dishonest people who make out they are all fluffy but are actually some nasty rip off pieces of shit making a fast buck off the backs of the real party crews and party goers
that’s what happened
thats pretty fucked up, threatening to call the police saying there trespassing, fuckers.
in the real world this is the sort of thing what gets companies and people blacklisted, either formally or informally or sued through the civil courts
if they’d carried out the empty threat, feds would have just laughed at them anyway, or put a black mark on their next license application
this crew are lucky enough as it is to get that license.
The authorities aren’t stupid and they know people like Storm built up their name from illegal events (remnants of their very first website are still on our server somewhere…) the only reason they and the locals are enduring this event is because its a lesser evil than having illegal parties go off in Western and SE England, plus they are at least recovering some of the money of policing costs etc
incidentally if a company can be proven to be operating without assets and intending not to pay creditors, that crosses over from a civil offence into a criminal one, and a serious one at that (you are more likely to do more prison time in this nation for ripping someone off in this manner than for beating them or killing them)
sadly I feel people on this scene take advantage because they think “no one will grass innit..”
thats why although I am a trained experienced AV engineer I’d rather work for normal “boring” companies, they pay my salary on time and don’t take the piss..
that said a fair few people from this area are going, but politics aside I wouldn’t spend £100+ on going the other side of the country for a weekend these days anyway – nor is it “sustainable” (and I am actually into that sort of stuff) when its not a essential bit of my life to attend a festival..
@General Lighting 234687 wrote:
in the real world this is the sort of thing what gets companies and people blacklisted, either formally or informally or sued through the civil courts[/quote]
what’s the point in sueing a company that has gone into liquidation? you may get a few quid but you also end up with a load of legal fees. for £2000 it is not worth it
Quote:if they’d carried out the empty threat, feds would have just laughed at them anyway, or put a black mark on their next license applicationthe people who were told to leave were on private land after the license had expired. the cops were there backing it up
Quote:incidentally if a company can be proven to be operating without assets and intending not to pay creditors, that crosses over from a civil offence into a criminal oneit’s a huge legal leap though, isn’t it. organising a festival that apparently makes no money is not unusual. proving that the organisers intended not to pay up is a totally different thing and again something that would require a load of money up front for legal costs that would probably never be recovered
Quote:nor is it “sustainable”
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very true. the sustainable claim that waveform make is a total joke. one compost toilet does not make a festival sustainable
true, but with normal real world companies word gets around of people like this and people refuse to extend them credit or just stop working with them. on the “hippy” festival scene people seem to think the normal rules of society or the market economy just don’t apply…
even if cops do this, they just put it down that everyone is a bunch of sketchy muppets, and slowly put more conditions on the license each time to “prevent disorder” or increase their invoice costs – Wiltshire cops aren’t stupid and have been monitoring the rave scene for years (they even registered and posted on here once!)
yep Eastern Haze crashed with loads of debts but that wasn’t deliberate, they were unlucky with the weather plus the cops decided to increase the policing costs as they know there was loads of free party heads there and it was after that cop car got smashed up. I expect they even charged for the undercover metpol units on that site!
as fun as they are, parties and festivals are IMO the least sustainable aspect of the whole alternative lifestyle. The real people doing sustainable things in your ends (and even round here) are just out there doing it and it seems that don’t have as much time for distractions like festivals and drugs (I recently found out one of them is one of my old high school teachers! :laugh_at:)
Me and a few London crew boys going…………
Shall we break in instead then !!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets all wear something like a rubber ducky
Anyone hear at Shambala the other week……
id say break in if the actual rig owners arent gonna see any of the cash.. fuck em.
I was at shambala was quality! did you get fancy dressed up?
Tried but lost my van for a while then found it
We were with the Dub FX guys
my mate said she saw dub fx up in the woods on the sunday i think, not sure.. i was away with the fairies for most of the weekend:laugh_at::crazy_diz did you find the secret disco? spent most of my time discoin it up in there, so funny!
Hey,
Take a step back everybody. The version of events painted above is pretty much a total fabrication. I was involved in Waveform last year and know a lot more of the story than Mr Globalloon.
Firstly, yes, some people weren’t paid, its true but thats because sales were less than expected and 800 people jumped the fence! 800 people at 70 pounds is way above what was lost!!
Secondly, Waveform Project Ltd, the company responsible for it last year, are not in liquidation, nor have they ever been. The rights to the festival have been leased to another production company that has significant investment with the agreement that creditors will be paid off to an agreed level (negotiated between the new production team and the creditors) within three years.
Thirdly, the crew in question, South West Fusion, were never told to get off site with threats of the police, what utter nonsense!!! The site had barely begun to tat down on Monday, the public were only leaving that day. There was clearly no money to pay them the rest of what they were owed, and I do remember they got very irate, but really, the only signs of bad attitude from my perspective came from the stage producers, who were unhelpful at best and threatening at worse.
Nobody went into Waveform 2007 with any intention to rip anybody off, it was just unfortunate that not enough tickets were sold in the end – though in fairness, a better contingency for this should have been in place earlier enough. Or else, perhaps one or two stages with lesser importance to the overall event, like SW Fusion, should have been pulled. The event was actually very successful from the perspective of those who attended and, though there were losses, to say that these were across the board is an overstatement. Pretty much 100% of artists got paid in the end – though some took smaller fees than originally agreed – and the list of creditors only stretches to about twenty people/organisations!!
Finally, jumping the fence to punish the new managers of Waveform for actions carried out in the past is silly. All it means is that there will be more potential problems with people not being paid, and ensure that the new company cannot repay those creditors from the past, including the complainant here. It simply perpetuates the problem, not resolve it. The danger with forums is that one person with a confused, slightly fabricated story, can whip up a little storm of outrage, that actually doesn’t have any basis in reality.
If there are so many upset DJs and producers, how come the same main stage producers, lighting, VJs and main stage, as well as many artists, are back. How come Project Storm, Tribe of Frog, Gaia Chill and Archangel are all back? How come there is not a storm of outrage on the underground dance music scene?? BECAUSE MR GLOBALLOON is talking poo poo.
so you’re going to pay up.
in 3 years time.
like i said…
(From Mo) …I don’t know how we were unhelpful… we did our job to the letter, turned off when you told us and left the area clean and tidy… and threatening? Personally I felt crap because having run out of money completely by the end of the weekend and having fed 50 crew on the 4 meal tickets that i managed to blag, I couldn’t even afford to buy my kid a pizza off your stall. I guess that when i eventually ended up crying (!) that that could be seen as a type of threat (if you don’t pay me something I’ll cry)…
You know, nobody minds doing stuff 4 nothing, but when you are expecting to be paid, you expect to be paid. Now I don’t want to go on about it for ages, I spent long enuff writing explanations on Festival Weather (the whole thread got deleted) but we certainly weren’t the only ones who didn’t get paid and we certainly didn’t suffer the most. I spoke to two people on the site whose businesses suffered drastically and heard of another who’d gone bankrupt…Yet after working hard all weekend, even though we had been forewarned about the likelihood of not getting paid, we did expect a little more than an explanation of how many people had jumped the fence from Mike, the pleasant guy the festival organisers sent as their emissary, to do the job of letting us down.
Firstly, yes, some people weren’t paid, its true but thats because sales were less than expected and 800 people jumped the fence! 800 people at 70 pounds is way above what was lost!!
If you rely on sales to pay your creditors, that’s called trading insolvent. Which is illegal.
And to be honest the fences were rubbish! About 1.5 m high and they weren’t guarded at all…
If there are so many upset DJs and producers, how come the same main stage producers, lighting, VJs and main stage, as well as many artists, are back. How come Project Storm, Tribe of Frog, Gaia Chill and Archangel are all back? How come there is not a storm of outrage on the underground dance music scene??
Why haven’t you got Dreadzone? And what about the Alabama 3? Or is that a sore point? ID Spiral were cracking, where are they?
(KATALYST)
Hello,i produced last years southwest fusion stage for waveform and i will never work for them again.i have never been treated so much like a fool by any organisation in the past-starting with the non payment,the lack of food for my stage crew,the downright shoddy organisation,the over zealous security (at a hippy festival)the shutting down of all the stages early (except the walla bar )the denials since-i’ve had vague promises of payment-even a shares offer.but shares in what?i wasn’t even invited back this year to recoup some of my expenses from last year.all this was discussed on festival weather last year but mysteriously has been wiped.i am still awaiting either an apology,or payment for services rendered.
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