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  • dunno if anyone else has seen the hype about web2.0 and various hacks (the same ones who went on about the dot-com days) spouting on about some “mixing and mash up culture” which apparently blogs, flickr, google earth are part of…

    but surely we’ve been doing that for years since the mid 90s?! before the net there was the DIY culture of pirate radio, and the still (just about) extant culture of unlicensed raves (the recent HDFK Synthetic Circus was an amazing piece of DIY entertainment!)

    but TBH high-tech creativity been held back by a combination of outside oppression (its clearly foolish to widely share media showing you and your mates involved in activities that are deemed unlawful), peoples own reticence to share their creative works as they want to make individual revenue, and the contractual obligations of those creators who work with large media companies.

    if anything free creativity on the net is dropping and passive consumption increasing, whilst paid for content is becoming more and more commonplace.. despite the massive steps in technology and availability of equipment.

    large media companies are starting to try and even hijack the anti-terrorism laws to stop illegal music sharing, and are trying to buy into ISPs (Murdoch bought an ISP) where they could easily introduce clauses claiming ownership (or part ownership) of users own websites/blogs as they are “providing resources”,

    They can also easily introduce censorship and filtering to fit in with the whims of the governments who ultimately license their communications channels.

    in the mid 1980s a young person could write a computer game on their own home PC; and make a fair amount of money that way.

    Nowadays there’s not much chance of that; consoles do not come with SDKs (systems development kits) or equipment to connect them to PCs to write games. A company has to usually pay a Japanese manufacturer thousands in license fees and surrender some of the intellectual property rights – its like 1941 with less blood TBH!

    If an enterprising kid did reverse engineer a consoles code and write their own title; they would far more likely end up being arrested for copyright violations and spend their time in the cells and find their computer equipment confiscated and in the police property store rather than being offered an employment contract!

    Although they may not go to jail, they would still end up with a criminal record alleging dishonesty which makes them virtually unemployable….

    the same could happen to anyone re-mixing copyright material – even if artists said it was OK many (or their managers) have actually signed away their rights to larger companies which are buying out all the independent organisations.

    Even nicking clips off telly will eventually get you in shit with Granada et al, and whilst the BBC drop a few crumbs from the table they retain copyright and historically have had very harsh terms for the smaller independent producers (they surrender an entire projects rights for one fee in many cases)

    it does appear that this is merely being championed to give large media companies a pool of low-budget talent to cherry-pick and then discard when it ceases to be flavour of the month, rather than anything long-term.

    with the original web, we (the user community) were in charge of its development. however this web2.0 does appear to be driven by larger companies and media conglomerates than the old dot-coms with innovative (if perhaps flawed) start ups

    perhaps the big question to ask for Web2.0 is who is going to be in charge?

    It seems to me this is precisely the reason sites like ours need to keep fighting the good fight…

    Web 2.0 scares me. Especially when you combine it with the computer industry increasingly talking about a ‘thin client’/’dumb terminals’ approach for the future. The internets getting faster for everyone every day and i can easily forsee a time when we wont actually have any software or storage or even much CPU power on our machines. We will have ‘dumb terminals’ which interface over the net with Google or M$ or Yahoo Operating Systems running Google Mail, Google Office, Google Media Player, Google Photo Album, Google VOIP etc…

    Digital Rights Management would no longer be a problem for record companies. Software piracy would be eliminated. EVERYTHING you did could (and most probably would) be tracked/monitored/analysed.

    As GL says its really a matter of whos going to be in control.

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    Web 2.0 scares me. Especially when you combine it with the computer industry increasingly talking about a ‘thin client’/’dumb terminals’ approach for the future. The internets getting faster for everyone every day and i can easily forsee a time when we wont actually have any software or storage or even much CPU power on our machines. We will have ‘dumb terminals’ which interface over the net with Google or M$ or Yahoo Operating Systems running Google Mail, Google Office, Google Media Player, Google Photo Album, Google VOIP etc…

    Digital Rights Management would no longer be a problem for record companies. Software piracy would be eliminated. EVERYTHING you did could (and most probably would) be tracked/monitored/analysed.

    As GL says its really a matter of whos going to be in control.

    beware – highly technical content follows in some parts of this post. I am willing to explain to those who read this reply but do not understand parts of it though…..

    surely though its also a matter of people like us taking back control?

    as someone who has spent 15 years involved with IT and conventional electronics I think this dystopian scenario will only happen if we let it happen.

    I can’t see the fastest comms links for the public internet becoming any more faster than a corporate LAN of a few years back (10MB/s) and this only in a few years time ; there simply isn’t the money available as yet to provide any more in the way of infrastructure; and political/physical barriers to telcos such as resistance to digging up roads or the building of antenna masts and arrays.

    Further, fast broadband will not be available too far outside cities; what about Wales, Scotland or even the more remote areas of Oxfordshire? I have friends in Wiltshire who still use dial-up Internet!

    Governments will also increasingly censor and nanny the public internet; but there is nothing stopping us creating networks of our own using readily available off the shelf components, and using encryption and our own common sense to protect these.

    the thin client approach may work for a narrow base of corporate users who want to lock down their desktops; even so I am sceptical of its capabilities. It was tried at my employers (a major public sector organisation) and abandoned because it did not deliver the expected level of functionality or savings…

    CPU power would be unlikely to drop too drastically, people will want to view or listen to locally stored multimedia so computers will need some amount of RAM, DSP and local storage.

    Our saving grace is that governments are unlikely (and possibly unable) to stop the free trade of electronic components and assemblies; they are not going to shut down Maplins or ban citizens from purchasing stuff from the RS catalogue. Nor will (or can) governments or corporates make open source software, and compilers/assemblers illegal – even if they did there would be a black market in this stuff, same as with drugs today.

    there will still also be all sorts of equipment discarded in skips and storerooms, decommissioned but still serviceable; and stuff from upgrades.

    Half the data and voice kit in my home was recovered from party warehouses; the computer I am typing this message on is a few years old and was given to me by a relative who runs a business as she was upgrading.

    if we don’t like what is on offer; we can simply build our own solutions. the problem today is people are spoonfed by all this stuff – they are frightened of learning how their computers or other equipment works.

    People think its too complex/lots of numbers/you need a degree/its too boring – but if you put a bit of effort into it its simple enough and can be fascinating when you get stuff to work and/or communicate to create something.

    you don’t need to sit in classrooms and read loads of books (I do not have a first degree and only have post-16 education!) – its a matter of getting together, trying things out, learning from each other and developing solutions rather than expecting to be spoon-fed by corporate applications.

    for instance as fun as Google Earth is, I far prefer to get out on my bike and explore places for myself, perhaps taking along my (now rather battered GPS terminal, an old-fashioned paper Ordnance Survey map and as backup a Silva compass (it doesn’t eat batteries like my GPS set does!)

    you have to spend a bit of time learning about the OS Grid system and some of the intricacies of UK Geography (our own Government admits its one of the most complex systems in the world as we keep changing boundaries and place names every so often!) but once you learn thats knowledge you have and can’t be taken from you.

    the only way the system can take us over is if people let themselves be dumbed down instead of using power which is already within them.

    I would like to think it would be people like you and i who would get a say in the workings of Web 2.0 and it wouldnt be run by some nasty corporates hell bent on squeezing every penny they can out of their new ‘business’ but just look at ICANN.

    Those on the board of ICANN are heavily weighted towards US members whereby at least half the members are from the US. Not only that ICANN answers to US Department of Commerce (DoC). Its very much an American grip on the internet direction. It took them loadsa arguing and the EU threatening to start an alternative root if ICANN didnt agree to the new .eu domain name. My point is that those who already pull the powerful strings of the internet realise its power and potential and i cant imagine Web 2.0 being anything but a business persons wet dream not something for the good of the global population.

    That aside the possibilitys of alternative networks is great with all this hardware becoming available every year with people upgrading all the time. I was starting to get into a project called consume.net which hasnt been up to much recently afaik. But the idea is great! : A free wireless intranet of servers set up as nodes to relay the network into a grid like fashion meaning the more popular it is the further the network reach is. New connections between towns would be possible with all this new kit available. I hear they can send wireless signals miles with the right antennas.

    So i suppose if Web 2.0 did become M$ Web 2.0 (Beta) 😉 then theres always plan B.

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