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  • not that im gonna start making it, just curious as to know exactly what sort of chemicals i may be putting in my body.

    i sort of know the coke making process after watching some tv docs, that mdma can be traced back to a chemical extracted from tree bark, that meth is made from cold medicine and camera batteries(?!), dmt extracted from plants and lsd made from some kind of mould or fungus (i think?) but what does speed come from? Is it totally chemical? and is it always orginate from the same sort of thing like coke or can it be made from various stuff? only asking cause the stuff i had last weekend smelt and tasted like paint mixed with the chemical from marker pens! not the best :yakk:

    wonder if there is a thing called clean speed where most of the chem’s involved in making it are removed and dirty speed where these chemicals are still present in the end product?

    there are several chemical pathways to speed i do believe, it is the parent drug of MDMA and others so it will share some of their chemical pathways. Hard to say where the first chemical comes from, shulgan used to start from nutmeg I do believe but doubt thats the starting point for speed nowadays, china used to produce lots of the precursors for amphetamines as far as i know but not any more.. some might just be made out of pure chemicals, others might start with a plant extract. But generally speed is made from a long sequence of turning one chemcial into another. Its not just a straight extraction/purification like with coke

    the cleanliness of the speed depends on the lab, the processes they used, how ‘good’ their chemistry is, if they’re shit and lazy and cut corners you’ll get ‘dirty’ speed.. same with any synthesized drug – its very very rare to get 100% purity, as it is often very difficult to do so you have to be a very skilled chemist with the right equipment. most illicit labs are a bit more cowboy

    Lots of different drugs are called speed too so I would guess lots of different ways, all synthetic lab stuff. *shrugs*

    @1984 387556 wrote:

    Lots of different drugs are called speed too so I would guess lots of different ways, all synthetic lab stuff. *shrugs*

    not sure, im talking about amphetamine. im pretty sure only speed or base is called that. lots of other drugs are said to have stimulent properties like speed, like bzp :shudder: :yakk: or methedrone etc…

    @process 387561 wrote:

    not sure, im talking about amphetamine. im pretty sure only speed or base is called that. lots of other drugs are said to have stimulent properties like speed, like bzp :shudder: :yakk: or methedrone etc…

    yeah ur right had a look on wilki, sadly though no how is it made information. I get confused because I never understand the real difference between base and speed other than one is wet. You ever seen methamphetamine over here?

    methamphetamine is pretty rare in the uk.. had one mate saying she had it once but never seen it apart from that

    proably for the best

    @Iacchus 387566 wrote:

    proably for the best

    agreed

    Q: Is meth the same thing as Amphetamines such as prescription drugs like adderall and ritalin?

    A: “Meth” is meth-amphetamine, which is a type of amphetamine. The “meth” from Meth-amphetamine comes from the chemical name “methyl”. The chemical Methamphetamine is composed of an amphetamine molecule with an additional methyl group attached to its nitrogen (amine group). A methyl is one of the simplest atomic groups which can be added to a molecule: it is a single carbon atom with a set of (usually) 3 hydrogens.

    Take a look at Chem Compare. If you look on the far right end on these images, you can see that there is a “NH-CH3” on the Methamphetamine where there is a “NH2” on the amphetamine. For many of the known psychoactives, adding a methyl group slightly alters the effects, duration, and/or potency. As you start to pay attention to other chemical names, you’ll see “meth” show up in many names and this will almost always indicate that there is a methyl group on the molecule somewhere. For Methamphetamine, the methyl allows it a little better fat solubility and thus better penetration into the brain.

    Adderall is simply a brand name for a particular mix of different “stereoisomers” (same atoms connecting at the same places, just pointing in different directions in space at one point in the molecule) and salts of amphetamine. Take a look at the page describing Adderall for a little more info about this.

    Ritalin (methylphenidate) does contain an amphetamine-like backbone, however it is more complex. Take a look at the difference in Chem-Compare. The additional structures on this molecule also alter its interaction with the body and the neurons in our brains. Methylphenidate is reported to have less euphoric effects (some people describe it as ‘more dull’) than methamphetamine, but every individual is unique in their reaction to psychoactives, so no statement is universally true. While similar in backbone structure, amphetamine, methamphetamine, and ritalin are all quite unique drugs, with somewhat similar, but distinct, effects.

    Another thing to note when talking about the differences in the amphetamine-class stimulants is that one of the strange effects of current culture is that particular drugs are demonized in the news, entertainment media, government information, and school curricula. Methamphetamine is particularly demonized, amphetamine somewhat less so, even though amphetamine-related stimulant drugs — including methylphenidate (Ritalin), amphetamine (Adderall, Dexedrine), & methamphetamine (Desoxyn) — are commonly prescribed for children from as young as age 3. All three of these can lead to difficult-to-break habits and can become a problem for some people who try them. But the marketing teams of the pharmaceutical companies do what they can to soothe parents’ concerns by separating the image of street-speed users from the clean, clinical, healthy use of their products.

    All of these substances are swallowed, snorted, smoked, and injected by users (in estimated order of frequency) and all can be dangerous in combinations with MAOIs, at high doses, or at high frequencies of use.

    Ask Erowid : ID 2846 : Are amphetamine, “meth”, Adderall, and Ritalin all the same thing?

    There are many methods. Using phenyl-2-propanone (you’ll have to make it) you can make speed by reductive amination. Ammonia yields amphetamine, methyamine (you’ll have to make it) yields meth. This is how MDMA is made, using MDP2P which is made from safrole. These methods are complex compared to reduction of ephedrine so I won’t get into them.

    There are two widely used methods to reduce ephedrine or psuedoephedrine to meth (or PPA to amphetamine),

    RP/I Three parts iodine crystals (in US these must be extracted from iodine tincure, IDK UK), two parts ephedrine (extracted from cold pills) and one part red phosphorous (matchbook striker pads) are placed in a flask on low heat. Those are by weight, not volume, If reaction doesn’t start a drop of water will kick it off. Everything will turn to a black oily mess. It will try to climb the sides of the flask, keep wiping the outside with wet rag to keep cool. After hour or so reaction will stop. Add water, shake and filter. Stuff in the filter is red p, save for next time. Add lye to water until PH reaches 13. This turns the dissolved meth to freebase which is an oil that floats on top.Add a non polar solvent, coleman fuel, starter fluid, toluene all work fine. Starter fluid give the ether taste tweakers love. Turn can upside down and vlow the propellant out then punch a hole in the can. Pore solvent into water and shake let seperate into two layers. Dope is now in the solvent. pour this off into seperate container. Now you need to generate hcl gas to bubble through the solvent. This will turn the freebase to the salt and the dope will fall out of the solution like snowflakes. Gas can be made either with sulfuric acid and salt or muriatic acid and aluminum foil. Place either in a pop bottle and run aquarium hose out to gas your dope. Once it stops dropping filter the solvent stuff in the filter is meth.

    My girl is bitching and my hands are getting tired so I’ll post the ammonia/lithium cook some other time. Do not attempt any of this unless you have someone who knows what they’re doing to show you.

    @1984 387562 wrote:

    yeah ur right had a look on wilki, sadly though no how is it made information. I get confused because I never understand the real difference between base and speed other than one is wet. You ever seen methamphetamine over here?

    as far as i know base is just ‘pure’ amphet. this can then be cut down to make speed.

    also @FS was more interested in the chemicals involved in the process of making amphetamine not meth. not cause i want to make it just cause i want to know what chemicals im putting in my body. like i said is there clean speed where all the chemicals in the manufacture are removed leaving the final product or is there also dirty speed. seems like there is many ways to make it and many differnet recipes as some ive taken has varied wildly in potency and smell and taste…

    The process for making amphetamine is the same as meth, you simply substitute phenylpropanolamine for psuedoephedrine. Pretty sure they you use the RP/I method, I can’t imagine tanks of anhydrous ammonia are very common in europe. I live out in the cornfields of the american midwest they’re everywhere. Amphetamine or meth can be cleaned up (this should be done by the cook but often isn’t) by putting it in a filter and pouring cold acetone through it. This may seem to take away alot of your dope, but what’s gone is the cut.

    You can also extract it from the Ephedra plant (Ephedra sinica) by soaking the dried plant matter in hydroiodic acid (E. Sinica contains from 1-3% alkaloids by dry weight, and this is made up of Ephedrine, Pseudoephedrine and demethylated forms of each compound – adding the acid will turn them into various forms of amphetamine and methamphetamine), freebasing by adding NaOH to the solution, and then extracting with a non-polar solvent…

    Hydriodic acid is a VERY closely watched chemical (at least here in the colonies), hydrochloric from the hardware store will accomplish the same extraction. Note that extracted ephedra will produce racemic meth. This is a 50/50 mix of the d isomer of meth (what you want) and the l isomer (the worthless shit in vicks inhalers), so it will be half the potency of dope from pills. Also the vicks inhalers are not the same a the benedrex inhalers which contain propylhexadrine, which is a stimunlant with some recreational value of it’s own, at least for people without high stimulant tolerance. No idea if it’s sold where Someone Who Is You lives. Sorry about that last, DF and I have philosophical differances.

    What is speed made from?!…..all manner of nasty shite you wouldn’t imagine putting in your body!! There was a time i started looking into making my own speed coz i just couldn’t get any, still can’t but not that bothered now! Anyway … one of the things needed in the process was “drain cleaner!!”…. DRAIN CLEANER!! I know it’s not actually part of the chemical make of it but still, some of the stuff from it must get left in the finished product! Anyway thought i’d share that with you guys! Also another reason i decided not to make it myself was the risk that i could blow my house up and kill everyone in it…….risk/reward….didn’t seem worth it in the end!!

    Actually drain cleaner would be in the gassing bottle. There is however one very dangerous chemical in methamphetamine-methamphetamine. I’ve used it and abused it for years and I’m just fine. I’ve also seen it ruin alot of lives. But then I’ve seen alcohol ruin alot of lives’

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