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  • Newbie here. Hello everyone! Hope it’s ok to ask a question as a first post.

    Does anyone have experience of applying for Temporary Event Notices? I’m putting on a party this summer for around 400 people, in sussex. In some ways it’s a private party (not advertised, list of names, security, landowner’s permission). In some other ways (at least two rigs running through the night, munted people) it’s a ‘free’ party/mini festival. The site is in a valley some way from the nearest neighbours – we’d pass any noisemeter reading. We’d be starting on Saturday lunchtime and running through to Sunday evening. We did the same thing last year and invited the police to come and have a look – they didn’t, and we carried right on through without any hassle at all.

    My question is: is it now better to apply for a TEN and risk lots of conditions, drawing undue attention to what we’re up to, possibly getting it turned down… or just going ahead regardless and wishing we’d got a licence when they turn up and shut us down. My concern is that the situation has changed since last year and they will be feeling the need to make an example of someone one way or another!

    Apologies for the long post. What do you think?

    Don’t worry about long posts, this site is for quality info and we can’t afford to dumb things down when peoples freedom and investments are at stake

    some friends of mine may use the TENs system later in the year but they are so new that it hasn’t been used yet.

    Given that your event is tolerated, very well organised and low-impact (and that you have discussed your plans in some details on a public board in a post linking back to an HM Government site!) I would suggest you do things by the proper channels. This is a perfect scenario for the TENS and although its hard being a guinea pig its better than being the dead mouse with its back broken in the trap..

    There is a risk the cops or council may refuse the TENS (they are the only body who can, nimbys don’t get a say which is good!) but you have a right of appeal. It would be madness for the council to turn this event down as the alternative is less organised, less responsible people doing illegal events and causing trouble to the locals.

    Even a “private” event can be stopped on all sorts of rules now – anti social behaviour, suspicion of drugs being used, risk of violence occuring etc, in the same way they stop teenagers’ parties which get out of hand.

    If the worst comes to the worst better that if a TENS is turned down you can let everyone down gently some time before rather than spending time, effort and money putting on an event that could get busted, could get your rig confiscated (there is no “habeas corpus” law on property so cops can and do hold it for as long as they want to keep it out of use!) and your people could end up in Court for PEL violations

    If people are busted for PEL violations their charge is now also arrestable (law was changed 2006-01-01 to make all crime arrestable) and it will go on their criminal record as a crime of dishonesty against the public purse (unlike CJA violations which are a political crime) which definitely will affect job prospects!

    Its of course up to you how much risk you take but this looks like an event many people are putting a lot of effort into at it would be a shame to let things go bad. You can put on an unlicensed party, cops can say “you have 30 minutes to clear up” but when you do there are riot cops at the exit point and your rig is confiscated. This happened recently to a crew in the East Anglia region.

    In the current climate I won’t put on a spin of “mindless optimism” and say “try and beat the babylon system” – We’ve had 16 years of unlicensed raves and grudingly tolerated clubs/licensed events – which have unfortunately left Britain with a legacy of drug addiction and criminality as well as an innovative electronic music scene.

    As our scene hasn’t managed to put across its positive side well enough they are throwing everything they can at us to stop the unlicensed events. (licensed events can be monitored and fees demanded to pay for costs to the NHS and other services) There is a level of surveillance and anti-rave activity in place which I have never seen before (like the riot cops being used regularly now to stop events and more and more rig confiscations!) ,the rest of society is finally deciding enough is enough.

    i heard a crew in bedford or luton or somwhere succesful use the t.e.n thing. can nayone shed any light on this? was it easy? any major problems?

    seeing as events wich get a t.e.n are legal, itd be cool to dicuss the details of them so others can get to grips with the new law.
    matt


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      mattelephant wrote:
      i heard a crew in bedford or luton or somwhere succesful use the t.e.n thing. can nayone shed any light on this? was it easy? any major problems?

      seeing as events wich get a t.e.n are legal, itd be cool to dicuss the details of them so others can get to grips with the new law.
      matt

      Hello you..

      :horay: Welcome to partyvibe:horay:
      long time since you have last been here
      Glad you are back:bigsmile:

      mattelephant wrote:
      i heard a crew in bedford or luton or somwhere succesful use the t.e.n thing. can nayone shed any light on this? was it easy? any major problems?

      seeing as events wich get a t.e.n are legal, itd be cool to dicuss the details of them so others can get to grips with the new law.
      matt

      welcome to partyibe

      :horay::horay::horay::horay::horay:

      check the stickies in the The Law section of the forum for a start on these issues and then ask if something still isnt clear to you:bigsmile: [ also ones marked PEL as these cn be TENS to ]

      mattelephant wrote:
      i heard a crew in bedford or luton or somwhere succesful use the t.e.n thing. can nayone shed any light on this? was it easy? any major problems?

      Did biotech not recently organise an even with a TEN although it could have been globalloon

      Hello

      we organised a festival with two TENs (1 for each marquee)… music stopped at about 11 and we had to have trained fire stewards etc as it was public event in a built up area

      it was a pretty easy process though

      some friends have a gathering on their land every year for about the last 8 years.. although the neighbours get deafened by it they are cool as they know it’s happening and only once a year. this year they have successfully obtained a 3 day TENs with the condition that the (amplified) music ends at 3am, but i think they put that in the application themselves as it’s the time they always stop…

      so esentially they have extended their party by 3 days by applying for a TENs

      by getting a TENs you can say what time the music will go onto, if you want to, but if there are complaints about the noise (or about safety etc), you will have to either turn it down or off, or have your name on the license and be legally responsible for any breach of conditions

      the added bonus is that you can sell beer (although I think you need a licensee to do this bit for you? not sure, can’t remember… our event was beer-free)

      hope this helps… good luck and enjoy :horay:

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