Party Vibe

Register

Welcome To

When did you first try a Research Chemical [username]?

Forums Drugs Research Chemicals When did you first try a Research Chemical [username]?

  • This topic is empty.
Viewing 15 replies - 16 through 30 (of 68 total)
  • Author
    Replies
  • When exactly did the phenethylamine part of the MoDA pass?

    the laws changed around 2005 but from what I vaguely remember the ACMD had already flagged the substances around 2003/04 and suggested they should be added to the controlled list. The debate took longer because ACMD did not want to rush in with a UK equivalent of the “federal analogs act” as they are smart enough to realise that controlled drugs legislation is enough of a headache to legitimate healthcare/pharm industry as it stands.

    I don’t think there were many fatal ODs from these first generation RC’s but there were a fair few freakouts and ambulance callouts/Emergency Department admissions.

    This was around the same time the public health and law enforcement authorities got easy to use desktop computer systems and access to the Internet so they were able to share (anonymised) info far more quickly than before.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Jesus skb. If you ask “whats an rc, NEVER EAT ANY PVP EVER!

    In all seriousness, without being judgemental, you could not pick a WORSE place to start. Aas -PVP and its related compounds are called cathinones; addictive, powerfull, all the bad even pscyhotic breakdowns.

    See, when i was intersted in rc’s, i had read through PIHKAL and TIHKAL, and my motivation wad not just to get high, i was fascinated by the effects these chemicals could have on us. I always was intellectually peaked by shulgins descriptions of compounds, a tweak of a hydrogen and another little tweek, you have a compound similar but with distinct features.

    Cathinones; thats for tweekers. No hate to any who usd it at all, i am just saying…. pschydelics had a postive outcome on my life, mostly because i wa s carefull and very motivated. Going after a cathinone…. all it leads to is an incredibly dark path, I advise dont look for EGO (yes, “I”) fedding drugs, you dont le arn anything. Pschydelics help peel away that layer and peek at yourself in… a whole new perspctive.

    Just my thoughts

    ^^^^^What he said, but in an English accent.

    although the cathinones are fun at the start they quickly become very unpleasant; this happens far faster than with MDMA or normal amfetamine type stimulants.

    I live in a large port town by the North Sea which is close enough to London to be influenced by it but also far enough to have its own unique music/drugs/alternative culture. it is of course impossible to keep contraband out of busy port towns, no matter how much resources the govt throw at this; so drugs have always been relatively easy to get hold of whether traditional controlled substances or NPS.

    the effect of cathinones has actually been one of scaring even the “hippy/anarchist” circles in my town into becoming reluctant supporters of drugs control legislation rather than decriminalisation. They have actually scared an entire generation away from drugs and divded youth subcultures yet more.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Seen and spoken to many messed up people due to cathinones.

    not gonna speak positively of cathinones… but meph and similar stuff was pretty fun for a while… but as everyone has said they have a dark side to them and can get really rough on the mind and body quickly

    I quite liked mephedrone while it was around but I don’t mourn it’s passing

    yeah, i never got into it big but some people fucked themselves up good with it, same on liking it but not mourning it, just not truely great like some other drugs

    Exactly.

    yeah if LSD totally disappeared you’d get a lot of sad deadheads but when meph disappeared a bunch of cokeheads had to go back to cocaine

    Yeah and deaths from coke returned back to where they were pre mephedrone.

    So everyone knows; technically, a “research chemical” is…….. any chem, all natural, synthetic, semi-synthetic. … everything is a research chem.

    I used to argue with those (like myself) who belive lsd isa trully…. fascinating and wonderfull compound. BUT; its not “natural”, its semi-sythetic. Its a compound with active research being preformed. ITS AN RC! That makes it no less wonderful, but be realistic.

    LSD was synthed in the 20th century…SYNTHED. while dose was floating around, ALWAYS, you could find all SORTS of chems. Its just, to me, a sepperation (rc’s vs “real drugs) bred out ignorance. Rc’s are nothing new at all, and every compound is just that, a damned compound!

    I also realllly love methylone ♡

    you are quite right on the technicality of anything under going research as a RC and the deleniation of RC’s from ‘real drugs’ is asinine but i look at it a little differently: things that you can currently purchase legally are RC’s to me, this is kind of a stupid definition and i’m aware of the short falls but hey whatever

    to me RC’s are basically stuff that is unscheduled that is sold as ‘not for human consumption’ so some things that were RC’s are now scheduled stuff that just came out will soon be scheduled ect ect.

    basically what i was getting at is that meph/drone hasn’t stood the test of time the way MDMA, LSD, DMT, cocaine, heroin, ect have not that LSD is any better because of age and abundance than 1p-LSD or any more recently synthed compound.

    some RC’s make it into that arbitrary “real drugs” catagory and others have to stay at home and remain niche but a compound is a compound

    that definition of RC is exactly what we use in Europe. I quite often legitimately buy strong chemicals/industrial solvents for use at work (especially cleaning up electronic circuit boards and connectors carrying low level signals for computers and audio kit) – they certainly are not for human consumption as they will make you very ill if you do ingest them and have other safety hazards but can be obtained provided you are over 18 and can reassure the suppliers and the local authorities/Fire Brigade you are not going to do anything silly or unpleasant with them.

    it is this existing method of purchasing chemicals that is used by RC suppliers; many of which are semi-covert subsidiaries of companies dealing in the “legit” use of the other laboratory chemicals. TBH although there is some (perhaps justified) paranoia in Europe about political extremists making IEDs or CBRN weapons; it is still perfectly legal to do scientific experiments as a hobby as long as they don’t harm others and thus to purchase the required materials.

    @Requiem 601313 wrote:

    Yeah and deaths from coke returned back to where they were pre mephedrone.

    I don’t even think mephedrone actually killed that many people (no more than a handful) – ODs are unpleasant but rarely directly fatal. Out of two prominent deaths blamed on the substance I remember reading about that both casualties were living risky lifestyles and the use of mephedrone seemed to merely exacerbate existing physical health conditions; turning what would be a minor but treatable illness into a life threatening one.

    That can also happen with traditional party drugs – I think what caused the biggest social panic with cathinones was that the symptoms present far quicker than with the other drugs; and the low price and high availabiity of cathinones meant that problems from binge usage showed up far quicker. I always thought the biggest risk from them (for younger people at least) was mental health issues following repeated use leading to self-harm or suicide; but I remember people in the early 1990s going down this way too and TBH felt that this risk was overlooked if anything in comparison to that of immediate fatal OD due to the chems themselves.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

0

Voices

67

Replies

Tags

This topic has no tags

Viewing 15 replies - 16 through 30 (of 68 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Forums Drugs Research Chemicals When did you first try a Research Chemical [username]?