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  • april wrote:
    no i disagree the guys right someone who has been thru the same and come out of it wiser is going to be far better to advise and help a drug addict than some text book trained councillor…
    dj process
    i think if you want a change in direction you should go for it …enroll in a night time course at college (fits in with work) good luck x

    and you base that on what? have you managed a service?

    april wrote:
    no i disagree the guys right someone who has been thru the same and come out of it wiser is going to be far better to advise and help a drug addict than some text book trained councillor…

    everyone is an individual and whats to say one persons experience is the same as anyone else’s?

    Do proffesionals have to have schizophrenia inorder to care for / have insight in to / empathy and knowledge of how to care for schizophrenic’s

    do proffesionals need to have had a heart attck to work in a cardic unit?

    there are loads and loads of proffesionals out their offering fucking fantastic support and care for people in the substance missuse services who have not necessarily been drug ‘addicts’ or alcoholics – IMHO it is narrow minded view

    djprocess wrote:
    I cant do a degree or anything like as ive tried to do 3(!) before and it hasnt really happened, that may because i havent really been interested in them, but just done them because i felt like i had to tho. Also ive got a full time job so it’d have to be parttime/weekend courses. Ill let people know what happens.

    Thanks.

    If you study with open university, you can take as long as you want, within reason, years, not decades, some people simply do not have what it take to do a degree, simple….

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    there are loads and loads of proffesionals out their offering fucking fantastic support and care for people in the substance missuse services who have not necessarily been drug ‘addicts’ or alcoholics

    yes tankgirl

    thats true theres thousands of great people doing great work for drug addicts

    thats true but to be “qualified by experience” is something again.

    someone who hasnt done a rattle of heroin just cannot comprehend how bad it is and how rough the person is feeling etc etc .

    dunno how many folk on here have seen a rattling heroin addict go threw withdrawl but if you havent YOU will not comprehend how bad it is !!

    trust me !!!

    imo ex drug addicts are the finest people to become drug workers because they have been there and beat the beast so to speak

    my girlfriend had a 6 years battle with opiates and crack .she has been clean for nearly five years now .she keeps threatening to go into this type of work but she really doesnt know where to start

    any pointers anyone !!!

    party on raaa

    party on wrote:
    yes tankgirl

    thats true theres thousands of great people doing great work for drug addicts

    thats true but to be “qualified by experience” is something again.

    someone who hasnt done a rattle of heroin just cannot comprehend how bad it is and how rough the person is feeling etc etc .

    dunno how many folk on here have seen a rattling heroin addict go threw withdrawl but if you havent YOU will not comprehend how bad it is !!

    trust me !!!

    imo ex drug addicts are the finest people to become drug workers because they have been there and beat the beast so to speak

    my girlfriend had a 6 years battle with opiates and crack .she has been clean for nearly five years now .she keeps threatening to go into this type of work but she really doesnt know where to start

    any pointers anyone !!!

    party on raaa

    hey Party on!

    I understand what your saying and dont disagree at all,
    experience is a very valid thing

    I was just pointing out the statement (paraphrasing- )
    ‘is going to give far better advise than textbook trained person’

    as I think thats a very ‘one sided; opinion that I disagree with-

    there are down sides to all personal experience and no training – as boundaries can get lost in difficult situations (for example) and all text book no personal experience –

    but eveyone has a life outside of work and usually if they’ve not been a user / drinker someone close to them has had / still has problems with either drink or drugs – and you soon learn on the job and that in itsself is experience

    or they are interested in the field and just wanna give something back into society that can be too judgemental and thats all good too….. sorry ranting..(need to eat..)

    maybe a good thing for your girlfriend to do is check out drink and drugs (online) as they avertise courses and jobs
    alternativley contact your local drug / alcohol service / outreach / voluntary services and they should be able to give some pointers of whats availiable 😉

    I joined a group here in Newbury Called NUT or Newbury Users Team. We advocated for users rights. This included everything from information, clean equipment all the way to helping people get their first scripts and visiting people in police cells who want to get clean.

    Regretfully I fell ill and the two other girls who were my friends at the time ended up using gear and abusing the system (leaking out personal info) – as far as I know it is no longer up and running but it was well worth doing.

    Like SD said, you are better off volunteering to work somewhere like a user group and at least starting a councilling course for beginners … you may even find that this sort of career move wont be to your liking but at least you are testing the water so to speak

    party on wrote:
    someone who hasnt done a rattle of heroin just cannot comprehend how bad it is and how rough the person is feeling etc etc .

    i’m gonna have to agree to disagree about that. a lot of people have a highly tuned sense of empathy. if i’ve seen family and friends dying of cancer, wasting away from MS, suffering by the bedside of a daughter who is brain dead after a car accident, i can understand suffering and empathise with others suffering.

    i’ve clucked and it was no worse than a bad flu. the only difference was that i knew that one thing would stop it all in a minute.

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    imo ex drug addicts are the finest people to become drug workers because they have been there and beat the beast so to speak

    every addict has a different set of circumstances, different triggers etc. someone wo has got clean themselves is likely to think that their way is best. someone who has never been an addict who has a solid knowledge of counselling, cognitive behaviour therapies, NLP, harm reduction delivery and who is distanced yet involved is far more likely to be able to intervene effectively.

    saying that, any service worth it’s salt will routinely take on board users views and experiences to deliver according to need.

    as to your question for your gf… as others have said, volunteer with your local drug service, get some training in the above and keep applying for jobs

    Yes there is a lot to say for having actually experienced something yourself when counselling someone with that problem….

    BUT

    When I was training the main emphasis of any type of counselling is on EMPATHY, anyone can empathise with someone wether they have experienced it or not. No two people are going to have the same experience of something anyway.

    Of course it helps to have personal experience but its not the be all and end all, and doesnt make the counsellor and better or worse at their job.

    Just bcos I have personal exp of being a heroin addict doesnt mean I cant empathise with someon who for example is grieving or has bullimia…

    (in fact sometimes personal experience can get in the way of a counselling relationship – example, the ex-heroin addict drugs counsellor with a ‘well I did it so why cant you’ attitude… More common than you might think.

    april wrote:
    no i disagree the guys right someone who has been thru the same and come out of it wiser is going to be far better to advise and help a drug addict than some text book trained councillor…

    so in order for me to become a drug consiler i need to get on the smack for a few years…. get clean having learnt somthing along the way … then i can follow up my ambition to help people and become a drug counsiler :laugh_at: (jk <3)

    i agree i fink experience is better.
    Does any1 kno if u can b a drug worker wiv a criminal record?
    if any1 knos please let me kno.

    Wud love to work wiv 13 – 19 yr olds wiv drug dependencys but drug users r classed as vunrable people so its dodgy lol

    let me kno people

    xox

    wildchild;245219 wrote:
    i agree i fink experience is better.
    Does any1 kno if u can b a drug worker wiv a criminal record?
    if any1 knos please let me kno.

    Wud love to work wiv 13 – 19 yr olds wiv drug dependencys but drug users r classed as vunrable people so its dodgy lol

    let me kno people

    xox

    It depends. Do you have record for possession, or for supply and demand?

    wildchild;245219 wrote:
    i agree i fink experience is better.
    Does any1 kno if u can b a drug worker wiv a criminal record?
    if any1 knos please let me kno.

    Wud love to work wiv 13 – 19 yr olds wiv drug dependencys but drug users r classed as vunrable people so its dodgy lol

    let me kno people

    xox

    this is an honourable long term ambition you have – but by the sounds of it you need to seriously sort your own shit out at the mo before even looking to help out others

    often people who want to care for others need to put some of that care into themselves in order to be strong enough and boundaried enough to work with people who often dont have any boundaries or routeen in their lives,
    as working with users can bring up a lot of stuff for yourself and you need to be ‘well’ enough to deal with this and the emotions that go with a highly stressfull and emotive job

    you can have a criminal record and work with people
    you need to be honest about your history, you will have to have an inhanced CRB check and it depends on what you’ve been done for as to whether they will take you on,
    and you usually need to have been clean atleast 2 or 3 years – but this is dependant upon the type of work you want to do ,
    as you could do ‘service user’ type interventions and for this you dont need to be clean,

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