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  • Right I have a problem.

    As most of you know I have moved to Hunstanton to work at a zorbing park.

    I was made homeless from the place I was living in at High Wycombe as the owners sold the property. I left my Job at B&Q on the pretext of having this job (which had an accommodation deal as part of my wages) and I wouldn’t have been able to stay at anyway as I had nowhere to live.

    Due to various fuckups with the local Council (who have been total arseholes) we have gone from being able to tour around 5 different locations, to now having NO locations from which to run the business. We are desperately trying to rectify the situation but in the interim I am jobless and homeless.

    I am staying somewhere illegally (which I was and still am happy to do for the moment) which means I have a roof over my head (for now) but obviously I am not currently earning so theoretically should be signing on. Presumably however you need to have an address to be able to sign on (which I don’t have).

    Does anyone have any idea what my rights are both by way of somehow being housed and by being able to sign on?

    Wish I had some useful advice for you mate but I don’t. You must have internet access though to have created this thread so why not do a little research?

    Trying. It seems like I’m not in a great situation due to my age and having no dependents etc. The local CAB is 29 miles away so I may have to do a trip to see them ASAP.

    Yeah I had a quick gander for you and there seems to be mixed opinions of what help is available. In my opinion seek professional advice on what local services are available.

    You don’t need a home to claim benefits, either use a mates address or claim with no fixed abode (this means you have to regularly pick up your letters from he job centre)

    You can also claim housing benefit which is hard as you need to find a place and put the deposit down before you get it (you don’t have to tell your future landlord you are claiming housing by the way)

    So sign on at the job centre (it might take a while to get your payment ) and then go to the housing benefits office (which should be in the centre of town) and make appointments to talk to someone one-on-one and you can fire some questions at them.
    Also get a library card, as you can use the internet free of charge there.

    Good luck and keep us posted xx

    @Izbeckistan 554786 wrote:

    You don’t need a home to claim benefits, either use a mates address or claim with no fixed abode (this means you have to regularly pick up your letters from he job centre)

    You can also claim housing benefit which is hard as you need to find a place and put the deposit down before you get it (you don’t have to tell your future landlord you are claiming housing by the way)

    So sign on at the job centre (it might take a while to get your payment ) and then go to the housing benefits office (which should be in the centre of town) and make appointments to talk to someone one-on-one and you can fire some questions at them.
    Also get a library card, as you can use the internet free of charge there.

    Good luck and keep us posted xx

    So you don’t need to have an address to sign on? I would have thought that would be a requirement of being on jobseekers allowance (as surely it’s hard to get gainful employment if you don’t have an address?). That’s a bonus. I’ll look into signing on immediately.

    The homelessness is less of an issue as I do have somewhere to stay (albeit dodgily).

    Thanks Izbeck! *hugs*

    Nope – you just need an address for the letters to get to you thats all.

    Housing advice helpline – Shelter England

    ^ call this number for advise and instructions.

    xx

    @Izbeckistan 554793 wrote:

    Nope – you just need an address for the letters to get to you thats all.

    Housing advice helpline – Shelter England

    ^ call this number for advise and instructions.

    xx

    Many thanks! XXX

    if you are either an English/British or EU citizen or have correct immigration clearance you are not living illegally unless you have broke into a residential premises.

    if someone is letting you stay in a rented house it might be against their tenancy agreement but unless the landlord / management company is particularly nosey or you are wanted for crime it would go unnoticed, you may be able to use the address for benefits, I’ve just checked the Council info for your area but unfortunately their policy is because you are male, single, not over 70 and English basically to say “go back to SE England and claim benefits there”. Not that foreigners have it any easier in the rural areas, the locals will call the feds/Border Force on them unless they keep their heads down and if the authorities say that many are EU and legal to stay here thats why UKIP (and worse) get plenty of support.

    But even by local yokel standards, what the Council are doing to your employers makes no sense – usually coastal areas are crying out for business investment. I vaguely remember you saying it was a friend who runs the business. I appreciate the awkwardness of this but you might need to ask your friend hard questions and perhaps investigate yourself whether the business is viable, and whether there are outstanding creditors (including the Council) or if it may have (even accidentally ) breached some rule or compliance with safety regulations. Alternatively it may have become dependent on a single client or goodwill of the Council (perhaps giving a bit of leeway to some rules) which changes when times are hard.

    Could it perhaps be relocated to North Suffolk? Especially if it were to become a success, this would piss the Council off far more than any appeal/complaint you could make or even win – that is a very small village you are in and East Anglians are stubborn and don’t forgive or forget – however there is also a certain amount of rivalry and competition for business across the region. if you really do want to stay in EA and perhaps work elsewhere I would personally not bother with these smaller little villages and try the larger towns but even then its very difficult unless you want to do stuff like care for elderly people or office admin or trades . My personal experience is “dream jobs” usually turn into nightmares and its the shitty boring work that pays a reasonable salary (though not as much as London/SE England, albeit with a slightly lesser workload.). There are certainly jobs in logistics firms (ironically for dealing with stuff like customs admin paperwork) and loads of healthcare jobs. The only reason that foreigners often get them is the companies genuinely don’t get many natives applying, or if they do their English (and equally importantly ability to deal with an office environment) is even worse than folk from overseas. you come across as someone intelligent who would easily be able to get one of these jobs.

    at my work todays “excitement” involved spending a great amount of time in a confined roof space, the plant room (not fun in summer) whilst constantly keeping an eye out for patients who try to get into these out of bounds places) dealing with telecom wiring and numerous people asking me why half the phones were out across the sites in spite of me emailing all managers to warn them, and explaining that I’d keep half the circuits going at all times (including email and Internet) and there is at least a useable mobile signal in this site.

    But that is to be fair more fun than the finance reporting and admin I also have to do every month. By the time I get home I might if I’m lucky have the energy to do a bit of mixing or a personal electronics project, but a lot of the time I am just too knackered, but at least I just about get by financially. There are actually a fair few jobs going in Ipswich and surrounding areas – which you might have a good chance at but all will involve long hours and being careful about your activities outside work (its still a small world).

    There is a space becoming available in a housing co-op at Ipswich but they are very much full on green/vegan/eco friendly hippy types there – I’ve repeatedly been asked to join them (in spite of explaining the amount of space I take up in my house as a single person) but I am not vegan and also like having a greater amount of personal space/privacy, and I also find the pace of life and decision making there a bit slow compared to what I’ve grown up with being a Londoner. there is also a lot of hard slog involved rather than fun/hedonism.

    we are back in the 1980s again but without the fun bits because some of our generation are now in power and whether or not you agree with their politics or motives (I certainly do not) – they are the ones what worked hard whilst others partied, and they are getting their revenge now (I think todays teenagers are getting it worse because they are being punished for our transgressions). the way I deal with it is simply that I’ve survived the 80s once already so a second time round isn’t that big a deal.

    if you do want to go “South of the Waveney” let me know. In any case I wouldn’t bother with most smaller areas for about 20 years or so (they seem OK places to be if you are over 60 provided your body or mind hasn’t given out)

    @General Lighting 554815 wrote:

    if you are either an English/British or EU citizen or have correct immigration clearance you are not living illegally unless you have broke into a residential premises.

    if someone is letting you stay in a rented house it might be against their tenancy agreement but unless the landlord / management company is particularly nosey or you are wanted for crime it would go unnoticed, you may be able to use the address for benefits, I’ve just checked the Council info for your area but unfortunately their policy is because you are male, single, not over 70 and English basically to say “go back to SE England and claim benefits there”. Not that foreigners have it any easier in the rural areas, the locals will call the feds/Border Force on them unless they keep their heads down and if the authorities say that many are EU and legal to stay here thats why UKIP (and worse) get plenty of support. ITs

    But even by local yokel standards, what the Council are doing to your employers makes no sense – usually coastal areas are crying out for business investment. I vaguely remember you saying it was a friend who runs the business. I appreciate the awkwardness of this but you might need to ask your friend hard questions and perhaps investigate yourself whether the business is viable, and whether there are outstanding creditors (including the Council) or if it may have (even accidentally ) breached some rule or compliance with safety regulations. Alternatively it may have become dependent on a single client or goodwill of the Council (perhaps giving a bit of leeway to some rules) which changes when times are hard.

    Could it perhaps be relocated to North Suffolk? Especially if it were to become a success, this would piss the Council off far more than any appeal/complaint you could make or even win – that is a very small village you are in and East Anglians are stubborn and don’t forgive or forget – however there is also a certain amount of rivalry and competition for business across the region. if you really do want to stay in EA and perhaps work elsewhere I would personally not bother with these smaller little villages and try the larger towns but even then its very difficult unless you want to do stuff like care for elderly people or office admin or trades . My personal experience is “dream jobs” usually turn into nightmares and its the shitty boring work that pays a reasonable salary (though not as much as London/SE England, albeit with a slightly lesser workload.). There are certainly jobs in logistics firms (ironically for dealing with stuff like customs admin paperwork) and loads of healthcare jobs. The only reason that foreigners often get them is the companies genuinely don’t get many natives applying, or if they do their English (and equally importantly ability to deal with an office environment) is even worse than folk from overseas. you come across as someone intelligent who would easily be able to get one of these jobs.

    at my work todays “excitement” involved spending a great amount of time in a confined roof space, the plant room (not fun in summer) whilst constantly keeping an eye out for patients who try to get into these out of bounds places) dealing with telecom wiring and numerous people asking me why half the phones were out across the sites in spite of me emailing all managers to warn them, and explaining that I’d keep half the circuits going at all times (including email and Internet) and there is at least a useable mobile signal in this site.

    But that is to be fair more fun than the finance reporting and admin I also have to do every month. By the time I get home I might if I’m lucky have the energy to do a bit of mixing or a personal electronics project, but a lot of the time I am just too knackered, but at least I just about get by financially. There are actually a fair few jobs going in Ipswich and surrounding areas – which you might have a good chance at but all will involve long hours and being careful about your activities outside work (its still a small world).

    There is a space becoming available in a housing co-op at Ipswich but they are very much full on green/vegan/eco friendly hippy types there – I’ve repeatedly been asked to join them (in spite of explaining the amount of space I take up in my house as a single person) but I am not vegan and also like having a greater amount of personal space/privacy, and I also find the pace of life and decision making there a bit slow compared to what I’ve grown up with being a Londoner. there is also a lot of hard slog involved rather than fun/hedonism.

    we are back in the 1980s again but without the fun bits because some of our generation are now in power and whether or not you agree with their politics or motives (I certainly do not) – they are the ones what worked hard whilst others partied, and they are getting their revenge now (I think todays teenagers are getting it worse because they are being punished for our transgressions). the way I deal with it is simply that I’ve survived the 80s once already so a second time round isn’t that big a deal.

    if you do want to go “South of the Waveney” let me know. In any case I wouldn’t bother with most smaller areas for about 20 years or so (they seem OK places to be if you are over 60 provided your body or mind hasn’t given out)

    There you go Chrispy. Good ol’ GL with his extensive knowledge to the rescue once more.

    I normally go running to the CAB when I get myself in a bind.

    You can apply for Job Seekers Allowance Online.

    Address = NFA (No Fixed Abode).

    https://www.gov.uk/jobseekers-allowance/how-to-claim

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    Does anyone have any idea what my rights are both by way of somehow being housed and by being able to sign on?

    Sorry, children get priority. Or rather, parents with children MUST be accomodated by the Local Authority to comply with the Children’s Act.

    Singlies can basically go to hell. Of course, this means a male partner has be on good terms with a female partner to get re-housed, if he’s seen as a liability then it’s to hell with him and welcome single parent motherhood.

    Of course, this means that many Eastern Euro single mothers want to move here to get A) Free housing, B) Free Education for them and their kids, and C) Free healthcare and D) Free pension. Unless they come from Spain, Portungal or Greece, most Western European parents would rather their own countries social systems rather than British ones.

    The fact that Eastern Europeans have to cross other countries to get to UK isn’t taken into account when processing benefit claims. If it was, France, Germany et cetera would be paying the lot, or alternatively we’d be running slave convoys to dump the parents and kids on the countries they bypassed to reach the UK.

    The good news is, this is all done deliberately to keep people compliant and paying a fortune in mortgage (death grip) just to have a place to live.

    @General Lighting 554815 wrote:

    if you are either an English/British or EU citizen or have correct immigration clearance you are not living illegally unless you have broke into a residential premises.

    if someone is letting you stay in a rented house it might be against their tenancy agreement but unless the landlord / management company is particularly nosey or you are wanted for crime it would go unnoticed, you may be able to use the address for benefits, I’ve just checked the Council info for your area but unfortunately their policy is because you are male, single, not over 70 and English basically to say “go back to SE England and claim benefits there”. Not that foreigners have it any easier in the rural areas, the locals will call the feds/Border Force on them unless they keep their heads down and if the authorities say that many are EU and legal to stay here thats why UKIP (and worse) get plenty of support.

    But even by local yokel standards, what the Council are doing to your employers makes no sense – usually coastal areas are crying out for business investment. I vaguely remember you saying it was a friend who runs the business. I appreciate the awkwardness of this but you might need to ask your friend hard questions and perhaps investigate yourself whether the business is viable, and whether there are outstanding creditors (including the Council) or if it may have (even accidentally ) breached some rule or compliance with safety regulations. Alternatively it may have become dependent on a single client or goodwill of the Council (perhaps giving a bit of leeway to some rules) which changes when times are hard.

    Could it perhaps be relocated to North Suffolk? Especially if it were to become a success, this would piss the Council off far more than any appeal/complaint you could make or even win – that is a very small village you are in and East Anglians are stubborn and don’t forgive or forget – however there is also a certain amount of rivalry and competition for business across the region. if you really do want to stay in EA and perhaps work elsewhere I would personally not bother with these smaller little villages and try the larger towns but even then its very difficult unless you want to do stuff like care for elderly people or office admin or trades . My personal experience is “dream jobs” usually turn into nightmares and its the shitty boring work that pays a reasonable salary (though not as much as London/SE England, albeit with a slightly lesser workload.). There are certainly jobs in logistics firms (ironically for dealing with stuff like customs admin paperwork) and loads of healthcare jobs. The only reason that foreigners often get them is the companies genuinely don’t get many natives applying, or if they do their English (and equally importantly ability to deal with an office environment) is even worse than folk from overseas. you come across as someone intelligent who would easily be able to get one of these jobs.

    at my work todays “excitement” involved spending a great amount of time in a confined roof space, the plant room (not fun in summer) whilst constantly keeping an eye out for patients who try to get into these out of bounds places) dealing with telecom wiring and numerous people asking me why half the phones were out across the sites in spite of me emailing all managers to warn them, and explaining that I’d keep half the circuits going at all times (including email and Internet) and there is at least a useable mobile signal in this site.

    But that is to be fair more fun than the finance reporting and admin I also have to do every month. By the time I get home I might if I’m lucky have the energy to do a bit of mixing or a personal electronics project, but a lot of the time I am just too knackered, but at least I just about get by financially. There are actually a fair few jobs going in Ipswich and surrounding areas – which you might have a good chance at but all will involve long hours and being careful about your activities outside work (its still a small world).

    There is a space becoming available in a housing co-op at Ipswich but they are very much full on green/vegan/eco friendly hippy types there – I’ve repeatedly been asked to join them (in spite of explaining the amount of space I take up in my house as a single person) but I am not vegan and also like having a greater amount of personal space/privacy, and I also find the pace of life and decision making there a bit slow compared to what I’ve grown up with being a Londoner. there is also a lot of hard slog involved rather than fun/hedonism.

    we are back in the 1980s again but without the fun bits because some of our generation are now in power and whether or not you agree with their politics or motives (I certainly do not) – they are the ones what worked hard whilst others partied, and they are getting their revenge now (I think todays teenagers are getting it worse because they are being punished for our transgressions). the way I deal with it is simply that I’ve survived the 80s once already so a second time round isn’t that big a deal.

    if you do want to go “South of the Waveney” let me know. In any case I wouldn’t bother with most smaller areas for about 20 years or so (they seem OK places to be if you are over 60 provided your body or mind hasn’t given out)

    LONG! lol

    I am living illegally as I am living in a commercial premesis.

    So basically local authorities here would be saying to go back to Bucks to claim?

    The business has never been run so we have breached no regulations etc. It is a more than viable business (I have done all the figures for the business plan).

    It is merely down to the council members being old-school, small minded, old-fashioned people who don’t want their little villages to change and certainly don’t want more people to come.

    I may have found somewhere in Cambridge to set up (waiting on a phone call) which is owned by some friends of mine.

    The only problems we are encountering is acquiring the land to do this on and unfortunately all of the land in this part of Norfolk is controlled by the same small number of people.

    The only outstanding creditors of the business atm are to the financier (who has stumped up all of the money for the equipment that is sitting around doing nothing).

    OK, I have just applied online for JSA. Let’s see what happens.

    @Chrispydelic 554983 wrote:

    LONG! lol

    I am living illegally as I am living in a commercial premesis.

    So basically local authorities here would be saying to go back to Bucks to claim?

    The business has never been run so we have breached no regulations etc. It is a more than viable business (I have done all the figures for the business plan).

    It is merely down to the council members being old-school, small minded, old-fashioned people who don’t want their little villages to change and certainly don’t want more people to come.

    [/quote]

    that is why Norfolk has more deprived areas than Suffolk and Cambridge, and their young folk all leave.

    A few years ago I was in one of the more rural areas having a chat and a few drinks with some friends there of age 25-50+. They were curious about my ancestry, not in any kind of racist or suspicious way (they knew I was English but not local because I speak with a London/Essex accent) but some of them had genuinely only seen an Asian person (whether born in England or overseas) on television. I explained to them how my parents had to leave their country for not having their arranged marriage, and they told me in hushed tones and totally truthfully (I can tell when someone is having a joke) that this still happens amongst the rich families, in order to keep land and money within a certain group or type of people (exactly why they still do it in Asia).

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    I may have found somewhere in Cambridge to set up (waiting on a phone call) which is owned by some friends of mine.

    The only problems we are encountering is acquiring the land to do this on and unfortunately all of the land in this part of Norfolk is controlled by the same small number of people.

    The only outstanding creditors of the business atm are to the financier (who has stumped up all of the money for the equipment that is sitting around doing nothing).

    if the industrial building contains valuable stuff, then it needs security. It is not illegal for a security guard to do extended shifts, including night times

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