Whatever, the post was about Ibogaine’ simple’
Warfare for warfare sake just wastes energy’
I know of my own truth and so do those that seek out their own truth.
To come from a young persons view of the world to someone that has lived most of his’ is kind of naive on the young side don’t you think’
How else can folks find the truth about themselves and the world if not by self education’
I may be a NUT, but this nut knows a thing or two about addiction syndromes’
All of the folks that have answered, I believe you included do not fight with serious physical/psychological addictions’
So not to seem rude’
What would you know, but of only what you read and hear’
First hand experience always shouts louder’
This is pointless and tiring’
EZ now’
Blessings’
Motamba’
what is your story, what were you addicted to, for how long? what other things did you try? how did ibogiane work for you? jsut tell us these things man instead of just preaching the way of iboginecause iv read alot of your posts and is till dont really know what it is, yeah it comes from the iboga root and yeh its phycoactive but what the hell is it
not old and wise enough to not make dumb generalisations though eh?
Ok I first started using “H” at the age of fourteen’ an was scripted to Methadone by the age of 21′
My first attempt at a detox was in hospital by Naltrexon’
I had been on 80mil of Methadone, taking scag, drinking lots of vodka and special brews, taking valium, tamazapam, Coke, Meth amphet, and anti-deppreassants.
I spent two months trying to cut down, I stopped drinking and taking pills other than what was prescribed and cut the Meth to 40ml.
Anyways they jabbed me in the bumb with .1mg of Naloxone’
Cold bubbles rose from my feet to my head and I went deathly cold, then I started to crawl all over, goose flesh an my muscles started to tighten’
My sight started to cloud over and I buckled to the floor with stomach cramp screaming’
The nurses picked me up and stretched me across the bed to try and relieve thew cramp’ I then shit 8 foot of crap down my tacky bottoms and passed out’
I came too about an hour later and went completely psychotic bezerk’
I smashed up the nurses station and threw the tv through th window’
Headbutted and kicked holes in all the walls’
I got eventually strapped down for three days, whence I managed to convince the doctor to discharge me’
Promptly upon arriving home I drank 150ml of Methadone and a bottle of vodka to break the withdrawal’
Never tryed that one again’
I spent nearly fifteen years after that bumping script and banging pills up my arms and groin’
I then spent six years in prison’ clean’
The day of my release I spent my discharge grant on scag and was back on a Meth script for another almost five years’
I then went the subby root for three years’
Them fuckers are hell’
I couldn’t sleep without benzos’
I chucked them and got a script back’
I then travelled to South America to learn of maybe something that could help me’
I stopped all the anti-depressants and alcohol and tryed to ween myself off of benzos (them fuckers are realk bitches)
I rattled for seven weeks and then met a chap that showed me how to use mushrooms to kill the pain of withdrawal’
Awesome I was begining to get better’
Still addicted to Methadone, but was only taking 15ml a day and very little valium’
I then drank Aya-huasca seven times in nine days and had no meth or valium’
It wass extreemly rough’ I threw up and died of myself many times, but after the tenth day things changed’
I wasn’t sick any more just wired out of my head’
Weed, lots of it was the answer for nearly five months with the odd Aya-huasca journey’
Then one day I just fell of and the craving hit me so hard I bought a lump of black tar and was back addicted in no time’
I went back England and got my script back and got it put up to 150ml.
Valium anti-depressnts vodka special brews and coke’ lots of coke’
This went on for six years whilst I was still researching plants that maybe could help’
I travelled to Africa and ate Iboga’
I was taking 100ml of Methadone, valium and anti-deppressants when I ate Iboga’
I abstained from all for 36 hours then ate of the wood’
I passed out’ (I have a book coming out of all of this stuff, journeys experiences and all)
I woke up some 18 hours later feeling very tired and blank, but amazingly not ill’
It didn’t last long, Methadone is a bitch an leaks back out of your fat cells for nearly a month’
But I got through it’
Iboga tripped me out somewhat like acid and mushrooms for nearly 11 weeks, I chewed out all my psychological stuff, and within three weeks was working out in the gymn an eating like a horse’
I have never craved anything since’ I still take of what I want when I want but now I have and awesome relationship with substances’
I have since been to South America and Africa nine times respectively to learn of the “Teacher plants” an their use’
I regularly take of Aya-huasca ceremony and many other of the “Teacher plants’
I fought for my life for so long, and now life is incredibly simple’
Ez now’
Motamba’
All of the folks that have answered, I believe you included do not fight with serious physical/psychological addictions’
this isn’t the 80s any more. I caught the tail end of the drugs culture then and yourself, who is probably older than me but not by that much, clearly were right in the middle of that culture. People in those days genuinely didn’t realise the dangers of excessive drug use. Even in the 90s a lot of people learned the hard way what too much of the party drugs will do to you.
Today party drugs for some can still be a gateway to opiate use so what you say is interesting and perhaps useful to some on here but the opiate users on this forum remain a minority, if a vocal one, and given the damage they do to society I hope it stays that way.
Many of todays youth, particularly the ones on here are intelligent enough not to want to make the same mistakes many of our generations did. Many of them have seen older siblings and even their parents have bad experiences with drugs, and they don’t want to become problematic drug users in the first place.
they go to show we have a bit of a sense of humour, and dont take everything so seriously, to be honest, all this talk about ibogaine has put me off it (not that i need it) but if i ever do need something to stop a class A substance addiction not sure that i will try this!
It is all about education bro’
The sad truth is that the parents don’t know of anything different and can only lead their children by bad example.
Granted a lot of children see the state that their parents are in and decide not to go that route’
Blessings to them’
I speak with many young folk and to tell you the truth them folks really do know of what is really going on’
The parties aren’t just parties, they are folk creating identities for themselves’
We cry at the world’
We express ourselves’
The creativity of life at it’s greatest’
I know folks just go to get mashed up’ but that is part of expanding ones horizons, also folks go to make “Music” be creative and “Express themselves’
Never a greater diverse a number of artists creating their own jewels within life’
I love it’ You love it’
I just hope that they learn well of what they are doing, cos it easily becomes a lifestyle instead of a means of expression’
Ez now’
Motamba’
Fiftee’ish feeling thirty, looking fourty:weee::love: touching up twenty nine’:wink: he he he’:bounce_fl:bounce_g:
As there has been load of talk of Ibogaine with out many links to studies or other places showing true facts of this substance, I have got my hands on a good selection of medical studies that have been published in some leading specialist medical journals. A few of them are studies into using Ibogaine for treatment in drug addiction, not just opiates but also for stimulants. Also there is one investigating deaths associated with Ibogaine and also the neurotoxicity of the said substance.
I would upload them onto the site for all to view but as they are under copyright for the respective journals, so I won’t do this as I don’t fancy getting the website into trouble. I will however post links to any that are of any significant interest should you want to purchase them (I wouldn’t as they are a bit of a rip off) and obviously post what I find from reading them all (with references to what journal/article/author/date published etc the info is being quoted from)
I’ve got many pdf files of information, but not so many links’
Ibogaine.org would be good place to get cross reference material’
It seems that The brain NMDA-receptor has been implicated in a pathway of addiction, linking it to a variety of substances, including opiates, cocaine, and alcohol. Research suggests ibogaine to be an NMDA-receptor antagonist. This may explain part of ibogaine’s putative anti-addictive role.
Link to info on the NMDA-receptors http://www.ibogaine.org/lit-nmda.html
Life after Ibogaine http://www.ibogaine.org/ibogaine_udi_bastiaans.pdf
Treatment of acute opiate withdrawal
http://www.ibogaine.org/alperetal.html
An overview http://www.ibogaine.org/sheppard.html
Ibogaine in drug detox http://www.ibogaine.org/mash.html
More info at http://www.doraweiner.org/
http://www.myeboga.com/audiovisual.html
http://www.doraweiner.org/alexanderlotsof.html
I think that is enough for the moment’
Many thanks to H. Lotsof, Norma Alexanda, Deborah Mash, K. Alper, Jeffery Kamlet, and all those I have missed, for being pioneers in this field’
Blessings’
Motamba’
Motamba’
sounds like you’ve been right through the mill, i am happy that its now good for you and i can see why you’d want to spread the word but please think M.
Does this approach usually work for you? if not then why not? and how can you change that?
when people are lectured they switch off (you know this) and that’s not what you’re after
the internet is a deceptive medium but you can come across as arogant and patronising
less can be more
(by the way i just noticed something, that post about your history was almost totally different to your other posts, not only in content but in grammar, vocab and syntax. Its the first time i’ve read ur posts and actually felt there’s a real person on the other end, I prefer that 😉 )
Hi Tarifa,
Blessings’
I got off on the wrong foot is all. I’ll shut up now’ cos warfare for warfare sake is a pointless waste of energy’
Keep tracking the love’
Be well’
Ez now’
M’
Anyways they jabbed me in the bumb with .1mg of Naloxone’
Cold bubbles rose from my feet to my head and I went deathly cold, then I started to crawl all over, goose flesh an my muscles started to tighten’
My sight started to cloud over and I buckled to the floor with stomach cramp screaming’
The nurses picked me up and stretched me across the bed to try and relieve thew cramp’ I then shit 8 foot of crap down my tacky bottoms and passed out’
I came too about an hour later and went completely psychotic bezerk’
I smashed up the nurses station and threw the tv through th window’
Headbutted and kicked holes in all the walls’
I got eventually strapped down for three days, whence I managed to convince the doctor to discharge me’
Motamba’
Hey M
was this detox in the UK?
It sounds pretty harsh if just naltraxone and thats it? was it a detox 5 thing?
were there any psychological input?
and why did you have to convince a doctor to discharge you – as in my experience most UK detox units are voluntary and you can leave at any time –
(unless you are mentall unwell and ‘assessed’ and deemed at risk to yourself or others…. and in which case they wouldnt keep you you’d usually be transfered to a psychie ward)
thanks for the links i’ll have a read later
Anyways they jabbed me in the bumb with .1mg of Naloxone’
Cold bubbles rose from my feet to my head and I went deathly cold, then I started to crawl all over, goose flesh an my muscles started to tighten’
My sight started to cloud over and I buckled to the floor with stomach cramp screaming’
The nurses picked me up and stretched me across the bed to try and relieve thew cramp’ I then shit 8 foot of crap down my tacky bottoms and passed out’
this sounds like goooood shit ooooorrrr maybe not. yeah when on a forum its good to say hi, maybe “teach” ur experiances and tell us about your self, then go on to topics, not just pluck random threads and plug a random drug,
anyway cheers for sharing it was a good read, whats ur book called
was this detox in the UK?
It sounds pretty harsh if just naltraxone and thats it? was it a detox 5 thing?
were there any psychological input?
and why did you have to convince a doctor to discharge you – as in my experience most UK detox units are voluntary and you can leave at any time –
(unless you are mentall unwell and ‘assessed’ and deemed at risk to yourself or others…. and in which case they wouldnt keep you you’d usually be transfered to a psychie ward)
thanks for the links i’ll have a read later
Psych ward used for detox’ back in the 80s I flipped but they couldn’t give me anything else cos of possible complications’ If you are clucking, noduled, they don’t usually let you go home’ You had to sign a contract when you entered and breaking the contract meant you lost your script and had to go through titration again’ Which would normally take two weeks for you to get back on the Methadone protocol’
I convinced the doc to let me go, as he said I wasn’t ready to do the deed’
One serious bad way to try and kick Methadone for sure’
Ez now’
M’
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