I need some help here. A good friend of mine got well into K about 6 months ago and until recently didn’t see it do him any harm. However…
After caning about 20g+ in 24 hours and spending a lot of time meditating he informs he he’s “found enlightenment” (excellent, could do wiv some of that myself 😉 ). The worry- He’s realised he’s a prophet; is a medium for a being not of this world; can teleport; etc, etc.
I was, obviously, concerned but thought it may be a K experience that he found amazing and would come down to earth soon but as its been a week now i’m really worried and not sure what to do.
His personality’s not changed or owt and he’s in no way a harm to himself or others. In fact he’s less stressed and happier than i’ve seen him in ages.
Anyone else had an experience like this???
Cheers folks
I’m suprised he can still speak after 20g’s of k in 24 hours to be honest.
Not sure what advice to give you though. try and convince him to see a doctor or something. but if he really beleives it then that will probally be near to impossible.
Try to make sure he doest do any more though!
Good Luck!
was he into all that new age/hippy type stuff beforehand?
if he’s not neglecting other aspects of his life nor hurting anyone else then TBH the only risk is to his physical health from doing such a quantity of ketamine in one go – if he regulate his use and still remain positive/”enlightened” then there isn’t that much of a problem!
he’s definately not harming himself or anyone else physically but i am really worried as his enlightenment constitutes things like the planet as we know it ending in six years so is on about selling his house, giving his money away etc.
Don’t think i could get him to see a doctor as he doesn’t think there’s anything wrong.
I don’t think its psychosis as he’s functioning really well on a day to day basis ie work, friends etc – better than usual in fact.
Has anyone heard of Kay doing this to anyone else?
At the moment all i’m doing is making sure i’m there for him and trying to make sure he doesn’t give away all his money etc and no one takes the piss out of his enlightened good nature.
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Then bring the doctor to him, arrange a time for the doc to com round and make sure your friend is calm and collected. If he thinks theres nothing wrong then surely he can at least sit down and talk?
Give it a go
I know of a few people who’ve astral travelled on K, myself included, and before you reckon I’m off my noodle, lemme tell you it was real as can be.
But the prophet thing, eesh, well, that’s a step further that may be of worry.
yer me n my mate had a full on trip while ina hole travellin thro well wotever it was, was well strange n not like ne other experience iv had on it n both our trips were identical was communicatin all way thro too without speakin :crazy: tend not to over analyse it tho or cud end up in same possition as that guy, hope it all works out ok for him !!
tel that to any religious person.
just cos he’s invented his own spiritual path, doesnt mean its not as valid as anyone else. psychotropic drugs have been used for longer than religions have existed to gain enlightenment. thinking of yourself as a god is not any more delusional than thinking hes some geez with a beard up in heaven.
as for the world as we know it ending in 6 years, thats not mad, is it, what with the world in such turmoil. it could be argued that the world as we know it changes every second of every day. technology, war, climate change etc means we could wipe ourselves out any year now.
seems liek enlightenment if you ask me. if he wants to give his house and money away, surely thats a brilliant alruistic thing to do? obviously shoudlnt be taken lightly, but its not something thats easy to do, so the process will make him think about it.
sounds like he’s had enough k tho.
from the descriptions given the only help the man really needs is what muria is already doing; stopping hangers-on taking advantage of any idealism he may have (like blagging his money etc)
I’ve never come across this before though – most other problematic K-heads I know end up lunching out everything else important in life and/or just living for drugs and even ripping off their friends .
This man doesn’t actually sound like he’s doing that – TBH I think he was always into this way of life and the effect of K helped him shut out outside distractions whilst meditating..
It seems like his intentions, whether caused by drugs or not are ultimately positive – the only thing I’d disagree with him on is that the world only has 6 years left; maybe about 10-20 or so if humankind persists on the wrong paths, and that IMO “running away” into your own retreat isnt the best way to solve the problems facing the world when there is a chance to maybe save it.
Perhaps it might be better if rather than isolate himself to “follow his path”, his close friends help him towards using his enlightenment to help others/look after the environment etc, and that maybe he could start doing this with less and less drugs..
the only concern I can see is that such a quantity of this drug has a physical health toll (several of my friends been in hospital because of K-related illnesses)/
TBH if he is functioning that well at work and socially after taking that much K well I wouldn’t say its a miracle but its quite an achievment…
20g in 24 hrs???!! ye i agree with most of the stuff that is said above, if he’s not hurting anyone and he seems to have benefitted from the expierence then it can’t be all that bad. you jus gotta properly make sure health wise he’s ok. alhtough he may not look bad at all he may have not been jus psychologically effected and considering that drugs tend to “trick” the body physically, it’s prob wise to hav him checked out. otherwise to be fair i’d jus do wat ur doing and continue to keep checkin up on him and see how long this lasts for. I mean i’m not a psychologist but if his personality isn’t changing considerably then maybe it hasn’t effected him as bad as u’d think (believe it or not afta 20g!). Also u gotta remeber everyones is completely different physically and mentally and so ppl react to things in different ways. wat might make some cry makes others smile.. e.tc
who’s to say he’s nuts?!
maybe he’s got a message for us
shit, stranger things have happened!
bit of motivational interviewing?
step away from the ketamine :groucho:
this is a tough one, but dont try an force anything apon him/her. best thing to do i rekon is introduce him to this website where he can speak to like minded people an not doctors. Im not a drug user myself but i can be certain that doctors can bring on a certain level of distrust no matter how willing they are too help.
Thanks guys, i really appreciate all your replies.
Over the last 2 days he’s calmed down on the whole prophet / medium thing. I agree if he’s found enlightenment etc then who am i to question it – should never knock anyone’s beliefs. I was so odd as he’s never been into “that hippy trippy stuff” as he puts it.
He’s a lovely guy and i’m doing my best to make sure no-one takes advantage of his new frame of mind.
Still presuading him to see a dr just to make sure he hasn’t done any damage to his body from doing that much K, tho he’s not gonna go and say to a dr “can u check me out i caned 20g of K” so trying to think of a reason for him to get his dr to check him out
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