Philosophy Thread

[1 Deez @deez Member]

Didn’t see a thread on this so thought i’d make one as I know a few of us here at PV are into philosophy.

How do you know you’re alive if you haven’t been dead?
What came first, the chicken or the egg?
If a tree falls in a forest but there is no one around to hear it, does it make a noise?

Science tells us that you can’t make something from nothing, so how did the big bang occur? What was there before the Big Bang? And before that?
If there is a God, how did God come into existence?

[1 Lshak @lshak Member]

You don’t, how do you know your not living an intense DMT trip you’ve just hit from another universe, or are just in hyper sleep in that universe…

The chicken would’ve had to evolve from whatever it was however long ago it was, what came first, the fully formed adult or the baby fetus?

Of course, there is just no one but animals and other living organisms to hear it 😉

Well, close your eyes, and imagine something, something you can see so vividly in your mind, a TV, a mirror, a phone, whatever it might be… Now that is creating something from nothing, maybe the universe was created from a thought of something superior and it all happened like that, just how everything we know today is created, an imagination, an idea and bringing it to reality.

One of the many mysterious of the universe, if there is a god, he was created by nothing, he has no father, mother, or anything. Whatever created him we will never know unless you get to meet god upon death. Imagine the oldest, wisest, purest and most pleasant form of anything you can imagine, that is God, there is no image to him and our human minds are not capable of such imagination.

[1 Deez @deez Member]

Putting ‘God’ on a pedestal like that is very bad and is what causes people to go to war. That’s why i’m anti-religion.

The baby foetus would’ve had to have come first as that is the stage in the life cycle before a fully formed human.

That’s not something actually being created though – it is merely a figment of our imagination, it isn’t in our reality..

[1 Lshak @lshak Member]

But the way I see it if he created us he should be on the biggest pedestal of all for creating us and giving us life.

How would the baby foetus have survived at such an incapable age? And where was the sperm and egg that created it from?

True, but if you can create a new idea and concept, you can bring it into reality. Your mind creates energy, in physical reality to have to create it from matter. Both are as equally creative, it’s just hard to put it into function and reality.

[1 Deez @deez Member]

@Lshak 530345 wrote:

But the way I see it if he created us he should be on the biggest pedestal of all for creating us and giving us life.

How would the baby foetus have survived at such an incapable age? And where was the sperm and egg that created it from?

True, but if you can create a new idea and concept, you can bring it into reality. Your mind creates energy, in physical reality to have to create it from matter. Both are as equally creative, it’s just hard to put it into function and reality.

Why? Why should he be celebrated? In that case, surely we should all worship our parents as the holy ones for creating us?

Well no, at first it would have been a mutation. E.g lets say 2 mice had sex, had 3 offspring. 2 were mice, 1 had a genetic mutation and turned into what we now know as a rat. That is what would have happened, the rat would have had some advantage that enabled it to survive and thrive and thus reproduce carrying on its genes. That’s what lifes about man.

I’m sorry but that’s not true. I can imagine whatever I want, that doesn’t make it real.

[1 Lshak @lshak Member]

Well not worship, definitely respect at least.

So where did the 2 mice come from?

I don’t mean imagine something into reality but imagine an idea that can be created. Such as a laptop, the Internet, TV, etc… These were all ideas and thoughts that were created from an imagination

[1 Mezz @mezz Member]

@DeezNuts 530331 wrote:

Didn’t see a thread on this so thought i’d make one as I know a few of us here at PV are into philosophy.

How do you know you’re alive if you haven’t been dead?
What came first, the chicken or the egg?
If a tree falls in a forest but there is no one around to hear it, does it make a noise?

Science tells us that you can’t make something from nothing, so how did the big bang occur? What was there before the Big Bang? And before that?
If there is a God, how did God come into existence?

Death is cannot be experienced, but I did hear a theory that the last moment of life could be perceived as an eternity, so die happy & content and you will perceive that feeling as lasting forever

The Egg came first, it was laid by whatever creature the chicken evolved from

Yes the tree does make a noise, sound waves dont require of wait for a method of perception or recording

The big bang is a cycle of expansion & contraction, matter coalesces through gravity until it becomes superdense then becomes unstable and explodes, then starts to coalesce again, only in each cycle some is lost, and eventually there wont be enough to become unstable, end all everything

[1 Deez @deez Member]

My point was Mezz, what was there before the Big Bang? As in, how did the first ever atom appear from nothing?

The tree doesn’t make a noise imo as noise is just vibrations that we perceive as noise. Therefore if no one (including animals) is around nothing could perceive it as noise if that makes sense?

[1 tastyjj23 @tastyjj23 Member]

@Mezz 530379 wrote:

Death is cannot be experienced, but I did hear a theory that the last moment of life could be perceived as an eternity, so die happy & content and you will perceive that feeling as lasting forever

The Egg came first, it was laid by whatever creature the chicken evolved from

Yes the tree does make a noise, sound waves dont require of wait for a method of perception or recording

The big bang is a cycle of expansion & contraction, matter coalesces through gravity until it becomes superdense then becomes unstable and explodes, then starts to coalesce again, only in each cycle some is lost, and eventually there wont be enough to become unstable, end all everything

Well I have heard the stories of people who died on a surgical table or in a car crash and Were brought back to life… they all have stories and remember being dead….Do you think that is false?

[1 Deez @deez Member]

@tastyjj23 530458 wrote:

Well I have heard the stories of people who died on a surgical table or in a car crash and Were brought back to life… they all have stories and remember being dead….Do you think that is false?

Yup because they weren’t brain dead, thus they weren’t really dead..

[1 barrettone @barrettone Member]

@DeezNuts 530331 wrote:

Didn’t see a thread on this so thought i’d make one as I know a few of us here at PV are into philosophy.

How do you know you’re alive if you haven’t been dead?

Because your body is undergoing metabolic processes that it doesn’t when you’re dead. Although I assume the question assumes we might all be dead. We could be, but there could also be a teapot orbiting the sun between Jupiter and the asteroid belt.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Technically speaking, the egg, because the evolutionary mutations that would lead to the chicken would occur in the embryonic development of the bird in its egg.

If a tree falls in a forest but there is no one around to hear it, does it make a noise?

Assuming it causes vibrations of molecules in the surrounding area, yes. Sound is independent of the ability of a being to listen to it. If you assume the counterargument, you could say that it is impossible to see the tree, or that the tree doesn’t even exist.

Science tells us that you can’t make something from nothing, so how did the big bang occur? What was there before the Big Bang? And before that?
If there is a God, how did God come into existence?

There is no “before the big bang.” “Time” as we know it exists solely within the confines of the universe which we inhabit. It may be that if the multiverse theory is true, then the separate, causally unrelated universes that arose before ours are “older,” but they are irrelevant to our own existence. Also, science says you can’t violate the conservation of energy. Taking gravity to be negative energy, the energy of gravity cancels out the “positive” energy in the universe and brings us to zero, meaning conservation of energy has not been violated.

[1 korno @korno Member]

@barrettone 530526 wrote:

There is no “before the big bang.” “Time” as we know it exists solely within the confines of the universe which we inhabit. .

If you had enough oil and a vehicle that could fly around in space at 299 792 458 metres per second for 7 years running… Then you could come back to earth and you will be 500 years in the future. Only having aged 7 years 🙂

[1 Mezz @mezz Member]

@tastyjj23 530458 wrote:

Well I have heard the stories of people who died on a surgical table or in a car crash and Were brought back to life… they all have stories and remember being dead….Do you think that is false?

Death is brain death, there is no thought after that occurs but you can dream a lifetime in a second, so in those last minutes while the brain shuts down so you could dream an eternity in heaven or hell, or any other weird scenario your imagination & expectation creates

[1 korno @korno Member]

Here’s a doco for ya Deezy about black holes in space
scientists now believe they could hold the key to answering the ultimate question – ‘what was there before the Big Bang?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqWNyR56jxo’

[1 barrettone @barrettone Member]

@korno 530537 wrote:

If you had enough oil and a vehicle that could fly around in space at 299 792 458 metres per second for 7 years running… Then you could come back to earth and you will be 500 years in the future. Only having aged 7 years 🙂

One of the interesting things is that at the speed of light, time is “stopped.” From a photon’s perspective, it can travel across the universe in an instant, because from its point of view it is absorbed the instant it is emitted.

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