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  • Some of you may be starting up in the “creative industries” (or what is left of them) and may be unsure about how much to charge for freelance work

    This seems a decent enough guide (OK some bits are a few years old but it seems to be being updated)

    whether you will get these is another matter entirely (that is why I have a normal day job doing the usual tech support tasks you’d find in a medium sized business; although I’,m lucky inasmuch that I do get some slightly more unusual/interesting projects to work on than in an insurance office or call centre) but they could be a good start for negotiation (I thought they were a bit on the low side myself; though I’ve only ever had paid work on the engineering side of broadcasting rather than the creative)

    Freelance Fees Guide: Welcome

    BECTU are another good resource for people looking to work in the broadcasting/TV industries. I’d highly recommend membership to anyone who’s serious about working in sound, lighting, video etc as a freelancer, as they offer very cheap public liability insurance (many companies require that contract staff have this, and it is also a sensible thing to have in case you accidentally fry/drop something on a punter and need to cover your arse), and good discounts on all sorts of useful training courses – e.g. I’m doing some training on BS7909 (temporary power for events) in a few weeks reduced from £400 to £200 for members. Also a union is generally a good thing to be a part of, and especially useful for threatening piss-takers with who take ages to pay your invoices (they soon cough up)!

    The media industry is notorious for taking the piss with wages, and the use of ‘internships’ (in ‘quotes’, since they rarely lead to any job, and are thus internships in the loosest possible sense) is part of the reason why the media is full of the types of upper-middle-class toffs who can afford to spend their early twenties working in various unpaid roles ‘for the experience’ or ‘to look good on the CV’.

    Luckily these sorts of internships are not so common in the industry I work in, but there still exists the same problem of lots of keen young people eager to work for minimum wage (or less!), in addition to lots of small/start-up sound/lighting companies who can’t afford to pay all of their crew day-rates as they need to compete with all the other little sound/lighting companies in the local area. I’ve been on both sides of this issue, both as a badly-paid crew-member working for experience, and as a production manager for a small company needing to use low-paid staff to deliver a competitive quote.

    The long-and-short of it is that it’s a crowded marketplace, both in terms of labour and companies competing for work. This means that, at least at the smaller end of the industry, the company who ends up winning the job is often the one who have undercut the competition by slashing their operating costs as much as possible (sometimes at the expense of things like health & safety), and the staff are paid a shit wage. All a bit of a bunfight really.

    All I can say to anyone looking to ‘get a foot in the door’ is to do low-paid work by all means – realistically you’ll need to, but be mindful of any bogus internships or offers of work ‘that will look really great on your CV!..’ unless you can actually get something useful out of them for your own gain. Aim to become business-minded in the way you deal with companies – they are selling your services and making money from you, so it’s only reasonable that you get a fair wage in return – what you feel is a fair wage depends on how you value your own services, but the freelance fees guides posted seem like a good place to start.

    My tuppence anyway, as someone who’s only really broken completely free of badly-paid crewing/warehouse work over the last few years.

    there used to be a rate card on skillset which is aimed more at younger workers – although I can no longer find it on the new skillset site which appears to have been revamped. I agree that joining BECTU is a good idea but I remember them initially being less receptive to the multiskilled freelancers although its less worse than how the wider trade union movement were initially hostile to migrant workers (I am however old enough to remember the 1980s!)

    I’ve been known to warn a few people on internet-radio.com about not advertising volunteer positions as jobs (this goes for those of you who organise legal parties too); as they can get into a heap of trouble from HMRC!

    There are to be fair some decent paid internships in this region; although I get the impression they are subsidised in some way by Arts Council (?) and are all short term. Was lurking on the blogs of some students at the local uni (due to a genuine interest in the art they were producing, not simply because they were young women!) and felt a bit sorry for them as I got the impression they already knew that for 90% of them they would be working in a call centre or office in spite of their talents….

    one bad trick played on todays youth is the current govt as well as a fair few uni profs counts the entire IT sector in the “creative industries” when saying how many potential jobs are available – by that reckoning I never left the sector/ OK some special projects at my current job are a bit more creative but the bulk of it is looking after various database servers and comms systems used in a healthcare environment which is like any other IT support role.

    There is of course nothing wrong with asking for volunteers for a creative project; but lying to them about the prospects for paid employment is unacceptable (and that goes for the fucking unis too!)

    I sometimes update VFR Europe during lunchtimes and spare moments at work; its not uncommon to hear trance or techno from my office which is next door to the staff room; sometimes I might listen to ICR-FM or any other radio stations I can pick up. This attracts a lot of the Romanian/East European folk at my work; who like EDM and I was chatting to one of them about the creative industries there. It turns out loads of them end up leaving staff jobs in these to work over here as carers for old people; this is more reliable work and pays a lot more than even a senior engineer or a radio / TV presenter gets in their country; and they have only gained staff jobs due to various broadcasters shifting European ops from Northern to Eastern Europe (as a lot of people in RO speak German as well as English)

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