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  • How much do the pills run now?

    @Shakyamuni 985019 wrote:

    How much do the pills run now?

    for some years in the UK about £3 – £5 ($4 – $8). Street dealer level prices can rise to around £10 ($15) though nowadays this price point would be rare and associated more with a dealer selling to total randoms near a night time venue where most folk would accept the markup due to the extra risk s/he is taking from being busted via undercover cops.

    Amongst groups of friends (even before darknet) the lower prices have been around for years, 3 pills for £10 is also another common price point.

    What has happened is the Dutch underground chemists found a less restricted precursor to saffrole that is part of a family of chemicals widely used for perfectly legitimate purposes such as making solvent based cement for fix plastic drain / gutter pipes together and other important structures that keep Weather out. It is thus not practical to restrict the availability of these chemicals too much :laugh_at:

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 985018 wrote:

    Some advice in case there are still teenagers and young adults who use forums for info rather than todays dumbed down social networks…. or if you know any teenagers who might benefit from it feel free to print out this and show ti to them.

    In the last few days I’ve read yet more reports of what appear to be accidental ODs across the UK as well as NL, to the point I am losing count of which case is which.

    There have been a few fatalities; more common is groups of friends end up in hospital and then getting quizzed by Police when they have recovered; which can fuck up long term friendships between young people and their extended families even if everyone recovers and no one ends up in prison.

    A common factor is the casualties are teenagers of “year 12/13 / sixth form” age (for those outside England thats biological age 16-19) – or young adults from age 18-25. Are they being more reckless than in the late 80s/early 90s when I was that age? No.

    By 1991 MDMA pills were available; but they were priced at £10-£20 each – this was a lot of money considering that a pack of 20 cigarettes was less than £2, or the same amount would buy you enough cannabis to share between 3-5 friends or more booze than you would want to actually drink (but sometimes did anyway because you were young).

    However the best pills were about the same strength as todays “superpills” you only needed to take one for a whole night (such as an event starting at 23:00 and finishing 06:00) and even then half was often very strong; you felt that if you had taken the whole pill at once it would have been too much.

    Todays pills are much cheaper per unit (complete reverse to the price of cigarettes but does mirror alcohol prices to some extent) but equally strong as those I encountered especially from 1991 to 1992 (and there were sadly some casualties back then, one of them in particular I still miss to this day….)

    Those of us who drink will know by experience that sometimes “less is more” especially when it comes to actually enjoying yourselves, recovery times, staying out of dangerous situations.

    MDMA is often safer than alcohol when responsibly used; but “less is more” applies to this stuff just as equally – also in the same way if you don’t cane a entire bottle of vodka / gin / scotch you can keep the rest for later, pills and powders don’t “go bad” even if stored for months. Although make sure you stash those where they won’t get you in trouble or risk any other human or animal accidentally ingesting them or coming to harm…

    This is how some of us survived the 1980s-2000s raaa

    You mind if I repost that somewhere GL? Very nice post.

    @Shakyamuni 985019 wrote:

    How much do the pills run now?

    Last pills I bought cost me 6 quid each. That was buying 10 which got me no discount.

    @tryptameanie 985021 wrote:

    You mind if I repost that somewhere GL? Very nice post.

    go ahead – that was the whole idea of me writing it – folk did the same even in the early 90s on the old Usenet newsgroups, though until late 90s personal computers or Internet connections were less common so we would sometimes print the messages on paper and photocopy them and they would be put out in stalls in the corners of warehouse raves or handed out with flyers or sometimes made into magazines…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 985020 wrote:

    for some years in the UK about £3 – £5 ($4 – $8). Street dealer level prices can rise to around £10 ($15) though nowadays this price point would be rare and associated more with a dealer selling to total randoms near a night time venue where most folk would accept the markup due to the extra risk s/he is taking from being busted via undercover cops.

    Amongst groups of friends (even before darknet) the lower prices have been around for years, 3 pills for £10 is also another common price point.

    What has happened is the Dutch underground chemists found a less restricted precursor to saffrole that is part of a family of chemicals widely used for perfectly legitimate purposes such as making solvent based cement for fix plastic drain / gutter pipes together and other important structures that keep Weather out. It is thus not practical to restrict the availability of these chemicals too much :laugh_at:

    I had heard about the less restricted precursors.

    @General Lighting 985023 wrote:

    go ahead – that was the whole idea of me writing it – folk did the same even in the early 90s on the old Usenet newsgroups, though until late 90s personal computers or Internet connections were less common so we would sometimes print the messages on paper and photocopy them and they would be put out in stalls in the corners of warehouse raves or handed out with flyers or sometimes made into magazines…

    I have a usenet account lol.

    @tryptameanie 985025 wrote:

    I have a usenet account lol.

    I think they are stiill used for distributing binaries although most old style groups are now totally drowned in spam – (I used to have all sorts of random info inserted into my message headers including a fake reply route that sent all the spammers traffic straight back to the Soviet Telecom, although there were also clues in them so friends knew it definitely was me posting and not anybody else)

    the whole idea of Usenet (which the binary distribution makes use of) is each post was an individual piece of content (usually ITA5 text based data) that often could be used in various ways on its own and although could contain hyperlinks was not dependent on anything else on the web; until the spammers fucked it up it was also a very efficient way of exchanging info for a wider audience as it was free from distractions such as ads and all the other crap that infests most modern websites.

    this forum is still similar in its culture to how the better Usenet groups used to be and I don’t think that just by accident 😉

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Yuuuuuup absolutely right GL. Useful thing to have and if you’re a BT customer you get free usenet access but maximum 30 or 180 days retention. A few other ISPs apparently provide access but I’ve not checked.

    Swiss testing group saferparty.ch have identified Tesla marked pills 230-240mg! At least these do contain a useful breakline (so the half would be 115-120mg. Which is still a very strong dose).

    For some reason the writers of the article below seem to think Zurich is in Germany (it is not!).

    https://www.inverse.com/article/20647-mdma-ecstasy-pills-tesla-logo-str

    There is also good harm reduction info below (but in German). If I get a chance I will post a translation on here.

    http://saferparty.ch/tl_files/images/download/file/Warnungen_PDF_2016/MDMA_extrem_hoch_August_2016_Tesla_2.pdf

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    @General Lighting 985888 wrote:

    Swiss testing group saferparty.ch have identified Tesla marked pills 230-240mg! At least these do contain a useful breakline (so the half would be 115-120mg. Which is still a very strong dose).

    For some reason the writers of the article below seem to think Zurich is in Germany (it is not!).

    https://www.inverse.com/article/20647-mdma-ecstasy-pills-tesla-logo-str

    There is also good harm reduction info below (but in German). If I get a chance I will post a translation on here.

    http://saferparty.ch/tl_files/images/download/file/Warnungen_PDF_2016/MDMA_extrem_hoch_August_2016_Tesla_2.pdf

    I know very little about pills and their dosages but I can tell you I was gobsmacked when I 2was offered 4 different designs, 1 of which was a custom press, and each pill was dosed at 220mg!!!!!!!!!!

    Can’t understand why manufacturers dose them so high (NL party folk are complaining they are way too strong) – even with breaklines pill splitters (that have the advantage the halves of the pill are contained within an enclosure rather than the risk of them flying away) are bulky as they are usually made for middle aged/seniors hands.

    Surely f pills went back to 100-120 mg they would still be good and strong, far less people would end up in hospital creating less of a backlash/moral panic and the folk making them would at the very least double their revenues, maybe even more as younger users won’t burn out mentally and physically so quickly from doing excessive MDMA and be likely to party for a few years longer.

    Then again I suspect the folk making them may be concentrating on markets in Northern Europe where users seem to by and large actually read the harm reduction material and take note of it and don’t cane everything at once like we British have a habit of doing..

    the CH document ends with this:

    Denk daran: Trink alkoholfreie Getränke (5dl/Stunde), mach von Zeit zu Zeit Pausen an der frischen Luft und vergiss nicht: jede Party hat einmal ein Ende.

    Take note: Drink alcohol free drinks (500ml per hour, just under the size of a British pint glass), take a break from (dancing) from time to time in the fresh air and do not forget – every party has to end sometime.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Maybe the high dosages could have something to do with smuggling the pills? Or is that not an issue?

    @Shakyamuni 985891 wrote:

    Maybe the high dosages could have something to do with smuggling the pills? Or is that not an issue?

    If anything, an accurate dosing per pellet, plus fillers etc, plus the press itself, would add a ton to cost than getting pure crystal so just how much of that 220mg was actual mdma is what I questioned because that’s just shy of 0.25 grams of pure MDMA, and these pollets I believe were available at a MAXIMUM of £4each for 50, and £3 for 100+.

    100 pills withh 220mg of MDMA inside is gonna be 22 grams of MDMA, over 3/4 an ounce and actually, the price to buy pure, very pure, crystal and those pellets, actually meant there was no difference at all in the price, if anything pills were even cheaper which is what made me suspicious…..

    @Shakyamuni 985891 wrote:

    Maybe the high dosages could have something to do with smuggling the pills? Or is that not an issue?

    Thousands if not millions of legitimate pharmaceutical pills are sent through European and postal courier services every day. As well as that there are licensed health supplements and vitamins available in pill form. Many of these are going to be delivered to the same middle class neighbourhoods the MDMA ends up, Added to that theres all sorts of small parcels that have spare space

    European postal and courier services (including NO, CH and UK) today have strong cultures of privacy as a backlash against the dark days of WW II and the Cold War but have also been affected by privatisation; they don’t like to turn down business. Of course post does get scanned and sometimes intercepted but it takes big operations to do that and usually only happens following incidents such as a string of overdoses in the same region.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

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