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Ecstasy
aka E, Pills, XTC, X or Extasy.
So what is Ecstasy?
Ebeneezer Goode!
If you sit down and talk to some of the sad old gits who are still out and about in the dance ‘scene’ you won’t have to wait too long to find one or two harking back to the heady days of the (second) summer of love, Balearic beat, Madchester, whistle possees, M25 parties, Castle Morton and doves…the rush of interest in new music, new vibes, new values and new drugs. Ah, heady days. This was the sound that we’d all been waiting for. Top one, nice one. Ecstasy that was actually pretty much full of MDMA, and a buzz that seemed to go on for years.
Things move on, as is the nature of things…and somehow ecstasy use has remained popular, gaining popularity with each new generation of party people. For many Europeans, it’s the power of E (or mitsi’s, or whatever’s about right now) that’s been driving ‘dance’ (in its many forms) into the clubs, onto the streets, and into the houses of happy smiling people who just want to be having it. Large.
Most people who use ecstasy just seem to take it for granted that the pill(s) they’ve bought will contain a variety of chemicals. For the purists, ecstasy should only contain 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine, (MDMA). If it really has to be pressed into a pill then I guess bulking and binding agents are allowed. Most pills contain other drugs too – similar chemicals like MDA or MDEA, amphetamine (speed), ketamine (an anesthetic used in veterinary surgery) or even LSD (acid). Some pills contain no MDMA at all. Some people manage to purchase pills containing no psychoactive ingredients at all. Of course this has nothing to do with ecstasy, and everything to do with the illegal market in which they’re dabbling. It’s all part of the deal.
…a sunny “hello!”
Active doses fall in the 80mg – 150mg range. Above this dose the experience becomes very ‘speedy’. In Phenethylamines I Have Known And Loved (PiHKAL), Alexander Shulgin provides some wonderful qualitative comments about his experience using 120mg of pure MDMA. He finishes…”I am complete”. Lots of people using e describe feelings of universal connection, closeness, excitation, euphoria and a rush of energy. People feel dis-inhibited, talkative, and keen to talk about personal things in a way that seems deep and significant to them.
MDMA encourages people to feel closer to the people they are with.
If you’re using e with a few close friends (or just one special one) in a relatively quiet environment at home the experience will be markedly different to what you can expect to experience in a hot, noisy, crowded club full of people who are also off their faces. Horses for courses, as they say. I’m sure someone, somewhere, still says that.
The effects usually start within about half an hour. Sometimes an inexperienced user can feel a bit confused or anxious. High doses, or chemicals other than MDMA, can also cause some of these unwanted effects. High doses can initially cause a lack of co-ordination and dizziness. If this happens, it’s a good idea to sit down until the rush passes.
Ecstasy has both stimulant and hallucinogenic qualities. Some pills cause a distortion of sound and vision. These distortions are caused by pills that contain chemicals with more potent hallucinogenic properties, including drugs like LSD or ketamine.
The effects usually last for four to six hours, peaking after about two hours. If someone takes a pill that lasts for longer than this then it probably contains amphetamine (speed). They’d feel ‘up’ and have loads of energy, but wouldn’t’t feel the closeness associated with MDMA.
Taking a 40mg dose about one and a half hours after taking a 120mg dose will extend the effects of the e for about an hour without increasing the physical side effects (eye twitching and teeth clenching) significantly. Bear in mind of course that unless you know the purity and potency of the pills that are available, it will be difficult to estimate dosages.
Twitching eyes and a world-class gurn?
What else does it do?
Ecstasy is a stimulant drug. Some of the physical effects of ecstasy include dilated pupils, dry mouth and throat, increased heart rate and blood pressure, jaw tension, increased sweating and loss of appetite.
MDMA interferes with the body’s temperature regulating mechanism, so body temperature can increase to potentially damaging levels. It also encourages the body to increase production of a hormone called ADH (anti diuretic hormone) which prevents your body from excreting urine. You don’t pee as much as you would normally.
A lot of researchers are wondering what the long term effects of ecstasy are. Some research suggests brain damage and liver damage. Other research discounts this. It’s difficult to provide clear information when different pills contain different chemicals. The truth is, no-one knows for sure whether using e is harmful in the long term. Aside from physical health risks, there is also an increasing body of evidence suggesting harm to psychological health for some users.
Me want stay on planet, have lossa good time, no?
Let’s just assume, for the sake of argument, that you’ve decided to use e and you’ve managed to find a source of quality MDMA. It’s difficult to talk about the risks of all the chemicals it might be, and MDMA does have a few risks all of its own. Big risks with ecstasy are overheating and dehydrating. Ecstasy is often used at clubs or parties where people are dancing and getting hot and sweaty. Someone using e in this kind of environment needs to drink about a pint of liquid over the course of each hour to replace the fluid they are losing through sweating. You should drink water, fruit juices or ‘sports’ drinks. Avoid alcohol, not only does it also dehydrate, it will bring you down from the e. Eating salty snacks (or drinking those ‘sports’ or ‘isotonic’ drinks) will replace the minerals that are also lost when you sweat.
Ecstasy prevents people from going to the toilet (to pee) as much as they might do normally. If someone isn’t sweating they don’t need to take as much fluid on board; drinking a lot could actually be very dangerous. Water isn’t an antidote to ecstasy, it’s an antidote to dehydration. If you’re not sweating, you don’t need to replace fluids.
Drinking too much water can cause the brain to swell, leading to collapse, coma or even death. .
The after effects of ecstasy use can include insomnia, anxiety, irritability and paranoia. The range and severity of after effects depends on the amount of ecstasy that is being used, and how often it’s used. Sleeping and eating will aid recovery. Essential nutrients, particularly vitamin C and calcium, will need to be replaced. If you take vitamin and mineral supplements before taking ecstasy your body will have time to absorb the nutrients, and recover more quickly. Your body should be able to tolerate up to 3g of Vitamin C in one dose, although obviously if you have any kind of stomach complaint you should seek proper medical advice before taking large doses of citric acid. Don’t forget to rest properly, too.
If you’ve been taking e every weekend and are starting to find that the days in between are becoming unbearable it’s time to take a break. Some people have developed short term mental disorders like anxiety, depression, low self esteem and paranoia after using e regularly. If this sounds like you, or a friend, then you’ll be pleased to know that these people’s moods generally lift once they stop using for a while. It needn’t be forever. The same applies if you find yourself needing more pills to get the effect you want. Once you’re taking more than two pills in an evening the effects are more like speed. And it’s not a race, you know.
If you’re going to use e, it’s safer to use small amounts occasionally with a long enough gap between uses to enable your body to recover.
Taking large does of e, using it regularly or not acting on the risks we do know about is more likely to lead to damage to your health.
It’s worth bearing in mind that e will have a significantly adverse impact on your ability to identify anything that doesn’t sound like a good idea. It can dramatically affect your ability to make rational decisions. It will severely limit your ability to feel inhibited about very much at all. Be careful what you agree to…I know of at least one poor soul who proposed marriage in a state of ecstatic union, and repented at leisure. Precipitated by a particularly fine evening at the Ministry of Sound, London, UK. If you’re reading this, sweetie, this is your cue to say “bastard!”
You have the right to party.
In the UK ecstasy use is illegal. The chemical MDMA is controlled by the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 as a Class A, Schedule 1 drug.
Other Class A drugs include heroin, LSD and cocaine.
See i can’t take omega 3 due to a blood disorder i have so the 5-htp is a god send to me coz its something i can actually take… that actually works.. now where did i put the bottle of em could do wi em after this weekend…:wink:
Xtc was the first class A drug i took and i can tell u its the worst in my opinion apart from the obvioius rok n smck. if u actually think about wht xtc is doing to ur brain it isnt good and persistence in use will end up certainly in depression some people quicker than others, i have been one of the quicker ones. started doing xtc at 14 and got bang on it for 3 years now i realise what it has done to my mind obviously it is not the only drug to blame as everything else played a part. acid all the way, any hallucinegenics *rong spelling* but because of the xtc i shall not be doing acid for sum time yet.
Xtc is good when not abused like most drugs
good advice…
IMO the problem today is that pills are as cheap as chips compared to the early 90s when they were as much as £15 per pill, yet the don’t contain that much less MDMA and in some cases contain as much as pills “back in the day”….
and people think they are relatively harmless. The danger is when you take pills (or any drug) to escape the pressures of life – the pressures don’t go away and are worse on the comedowns.. (thats usually how most people fuck themselves up on pills, not by major physical health problems)
look i tryed bin ing my self on the stuff last sunday 11 pills and a rake off stella sorry all i had left in fridge and am still here ok i have bin doing pills since 90 but aint never done 11 before in 1 sitting but still here still love my music still love my ex but thats on another board. E i had a graet time sunday
mate that’s gotta be some punishment for your body
know you’re having a hard time… from my own experience I would say try not getting mashed for a while… it just makes things harder
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take care m8
/me sends big hugs
Woah.
Now taking 10 pills is incredibly dangerous and high for one night. I take pills every Friday night at a 6 hour night club up town and i some times take pills out of the club at some partys. Ive been taking E for about 5 months and ive tried many diffrent brands, including: Harry Poter, Smurf, Hearts, Cherry, TT, Kangeroo and a few unmarked pink pills.
As for the overall doseage 10 pills is down right foolish, so many people dont realise how risky this is. I started off on Kangeroos, took one, done nothing then took another then i had an effect. The next time i had 3 pills, i had a memory loss effect and forgot id taken the one before, i ended up taking 6. Two pills straight up to 6 id a mighty big leap, After i left the club i had maximum awareness over drive, my reflexes were unberlivably fast, i couldnt help instantly full body twitching to everyting i saw. I grew increasingly paranoid to every little thing around me. I looked like a right head case coming home on the train with my other two perfectly normal friends having a usual tireing comedown. When i eventully got home i had to sleep with a blind fold to stop myself from twitching and looking at everything. It being 8am with the sun beemin through the curtain didnt help either. The next day i was fine and had a usual comedown.
That experiance scared the hell outa me, i was so scared id stay like that forever, i now know if you take to higher doses you end up turning into a twitchy paranoid freak in the long run, i still have fasterr reflexes than normal now and it isnt totaly good thing when you flinch twich as fast as a normal person.
After that expperiance i tried 3 pills. Taking one every 30 minuites to try and get an effect. But it took so long to work and when it did it wasnt very strong. The next few times after that i took two at the same time. I was on that doseage for 3 months and it was stupidly cheap but gave me the greatest nights out ive ever had. Then it stoped working as strong so i moved up to 3 at the samme time and thats fantastic, i got go high. Now its gettin weak again im to take 3 at the same time, then another 2 at the same time 3 hours later as it begins to wear off. Ill be on that doseage for another 3 months.
People dont seem to understand how gradual you have to be. Every time you go up a dose you can halucinate for a while till your body gets used to it and you need to increase your dose again. Ill never sudjest 4 at the same time as if you manage to take a dodgey pill, your dead. As thats though as an overdose. My personal experiances with each of the E ive tried.
TT:/
TT pills are by far the strongest pills ive tried. When i was on 3 kangeroos at the same time 1 and a half TT’s gave me the same effect. Ive known a friend of mine to start off on only one TT pill and they only needed one pill for an intire month. Its a great save of money but increasingly rare to get hold of.
Harry Potter:/
Harry Potter pills are crap and evil in my opinion. I took two at the same time once and i couldnt stop yawning and i fell asleep… I felt ‘high’ but not happy, just buzzzy then i fell asleep. Though they might work diffrently on other people there still very weak pills.
Smurf:/
Smurf pills are very good when mixed with one Kangeroo pill, their fairly strong but not as effective on their own, if you were to take these id sudjest one or two of these with ONE Kangeroo
Hearts:/
Hearts are good for a top up after another pills worn off. There fairly strong, stronger than smurfs but not as strong as kangeroo or TT.
Cherry:/
I took a cherry pill first off with two unmarked dodgey pill so i cant really make an accurate discription of this. But in my experiance it made me feel very very sick, and i ended up heaving and yawning alot.
Kangeroo:/
I trust Kangeroo pills by far the most. They’ve never le me down and their really pretty strong. Only bad thing about these pills is the come down. I have a much more extensive come down on these pills and im house bound the day after taking them, its so much effort movin around and i get strange painful spots under my tounge so if i eat its pretty painful ffor a day but then it goes.
Unmarked Pills:/
Under no surcumstances take unmarked pills. Even if theres no other alternatives NEVER take unmarked pills. Even if there pink with dark red spots dont think there unmarked Kangeroo pills because there not, me and a dozen friends made this mistake being desprate for pills buy buying off anther dealer in the club as ours werent there. I took three at the same time, the i sniffed up a forth. I got so pissed off i was biting down hard on my lip trying to inflict pain to take the anger away. i was punching walls and ignoring people. Everything i heard pissed me off, everyone one i saw pissed me off more, everytime someone walked infront of me i wanted to smash their face in. My shadow made me paranoid, id run to the bathroom every few minuites to go to the mirror to fix my hair and sort out my make up. I got so confused, id sit down then i wouldnt.. then id stand up and want to sit down but i hated it. I couldnt think properly and i was left in a daze. I then thought ive got to sleep it off, so i layed down for a while, but i then felt like i didnt need to breath anymore, my heart started beatin really slow and i loast all ebergy. I got scared i was guna die but i couldnt let it end like this. So i got up andwas approched by another dealer ith marked pink kangeroo pillls, i took the two pills then waited.
I remember walkin down the corridor angry as hell then i was hit by the ‘happy bus’ and i was bouncin off the walls in delight cozza thoses lovely kangeroo pills conter~reactin with the dodgey pills. Then i was fine. So theres a note for you NEVER. EVER. take unmarked pills, i nearly died that night and it scared the shit outa me. Id hate for it to happen to someone else.
The Dealers:/
Some people buy them straight from the creaters for a little less money. Id sudjet you dont do this. They havent had these pills tried on anyone else so your really putting yourself at risk. Only buy from dealers. My dealer, and some other dealers i know, try the pills themselfs before they sell them. They’ll only ell them if there safe and give the correct efffect. Dont trust any old dealer. Always be recomended by a friend who you trust. Many deaths are caused by people taking dodgy pills
Additives with pills:/
Not many people know that you can add certain substances, legal and illegal with E to get a higher, more wilder effect.
Alcholo-
Drinking with pill can increase the ‘buzz’ but only to an extent! this is no excuse from dinning in strong liquors, just around 1 shot, every hour or so can keep you buszzing all night. Beer and cider i wouldnt sudjest as the effect isnt strong at all. a shot every hour or so is your best bet
Laughting Gas- It excellent at making the pill kick in alot quicker. Whenever i start to feel the pill slowly kicking in i get a balloon of laughting gas to inhale to give the pill that final push. And trust me, after youve taken it in, you dont stop smileing for 3 minuites after.
Pro-Plus and other Caffine tablets-
These make the high last for longer, iive taken 4 pro plus pills gradully through a night out and mean meantally high for 2 days after woulds, but a warning is that the pills to still kick the energy out of you, so your ‘half high’
Cigarettes-
Is a good way to detect if your starting to feel the pill kicking in. Your jaw could start to chatter and the cigarette butt could start to feel more softer and lighter, also you may find you can take much longer pills. I dont smoke so much once the pills worked as i just throw the whle thing away as soon as i get the urge to dance
Dangers and how to avoid them:/
‘Esctasy kills’… wrong. It doesnt, only the faulty dodgy ingreident put into some pills can kill you in one pill. If someone says someone died from taking one escatasy pill and they took all other precausions its because of a dealer selling dodgey pills.
Positive Feeling on pill:/
Negative Feelings on pill:/
Final words:/
Police and anti drug campainers extensively elevate the dangers of usein this drug. They know that theres no chance they can stamp out drug use completely but all they do is tell you people die from it. They don tell you the reasons why they die from them or how to prefent such a disaster from happening when taking these drugs. Ive wrote this thing in order to help people who havent been told how to make their use of E a safe one. I can only hope it helps. I wrote this from personal experiance and from being read up in a scientists research
Now taking 10 pills is incredibly dangerous and high for one night. I take pills every Friday night at a 6 hour night club up town and i some times take pills out of the club at some partys. Ive been taking E for about 5 months and ive tried many diffrent brands, including: Harry Poter, Smurf, Hearts, Cherry, TT, Kangeroo and a few unmarked pink pills.
As for the overall doseage 10 pills is down right foolish, so many people dont realise how risky this is. I started off on Kangeroos, took one, done nothing then took another then i had an effect. The next time i had 3 pills, i had a memory loss effect and forgot id taken the one before, i ended up taking 6. Two pills straight up to 6 id a mighty big leap, After i left the club i had maximum awareness over drive, my reflexes were unberlivably fast, i couldnt help instantly full body twitching to everyting i saw. I grew increasingly paranoid to every little thing around me. I looked like a right head case coming home on the train with my other two perfectly normal friends having a usual tireing comedown. When i eventully got home i had to sleep with a blind fold to stop myself from twitching and looking at everything. It being 8am with the sun beemin through the curtain didnt help either. The next day i was fine and had a usual comedown.
That experiance scared the hell outa me, i was so scared id stay like that forever, i now know if you take to higher doses you end up turning into a twitchy paranoid freak in the long run, i still have fasterr reflexes than normal now and it isnt totaly good thing when you flinch twich as fast as a normal person.
After that expperiance i tried 3 pills. Taking one every 30 minuites to try and get an effect. But it took so long to work and when it did it wasnt very strong. The next few times after that i took two at the same time. I was on that doseage for 3 months and it was stupidly cheap but gave me the greatest nights out ive ever had. Then it stoped working as strong so i moved up to 3 at the samme time and thats fantastic, i got go high. Now its gettin weak again im to take 3 at the same time, then another 2 at the same time 3 hours later as it begins to wear off. Ill be on that doseage for another 3 months.
People dont seem to understand how gradual you have to be. Every time you go up a dose you can halucinate for a while till your body gets used to it and you need to increase your dose again. Ill never sudjest 4 at the same time as if you manage to take a dodgey pill, your dead. As thats though as an overdose. My personal experiances with each of the E ive tried.
Oh the sound of sum one at the start of their extacy honeymoon:groucho:, Unfortunalty your tolerance will build up, a few years ago i neva thought id do more than 2/3 coz they got me battered but now i can quite easily get thought 6/7 without feeling to overly wrecked,
also the type of pill means very little, for a few months if you buy the same “type” of pill it should have the same ingerdients,
as pills made in batches one batch with a logo on it can be completely diffrent from another batch with the same logo on it
but the best thing to do is to steer clear of the pills and buy MDMA, its the active substance in pills, it comes in a powder form and is alot cleaner than pills snort’d or swallow’d its the best stuff
also the type of pill means very little, for a few months if you buy the same “type” of pill it should have the same ingerdients,
as pills made in batches one batch with a logo on it can be completely diffrent from another batch with the same logo on it
but the best thing to do is to steer clear of the pills and buy MDMA, its the active substance in pills, it comes in a powder form and is alot cleaner than pills snort’d or swallow’d its the best stuff
here here. wish id waited before hittin little ones. used to get off my rocker on a few, just aint tha same anymore.
madman def instead oj jack an jills
Ah yeah, thankd for that. I understand doseage will go up as your body gets used to them, im just saying to triple drop, then to top up with a double drop when u think its wearin off. I didnt now you could get straight MDMA? whats the normal priceage for that?
I wanna try pure MDMA so damn much ow ive heard how much better t is. Pills are geniious, though the incredible trieing comedown is a bit annoying.. though worth it. Plus its suprisingly safe and the long term effects arent as scarey or devistating as other leading drugs
I LOVE PILLS. saturday nite we packed up and headed off to some where just out side of alnwick for a partay that was on. ended up taking 16 pills, a tab of quite nice acid and smoking some coke as my rap split in my skunk box.twas an eventfull nite. i love getting smashed but try to keep the amounts of class a drugs to a minimum unless at a rave, as i no the long term consequences. one of the lads i was with went absoultly mad, he took 3 tabs, ket, dropped 8 pills at once after binging on them all nite and was potentiall moving onto the mdma untill he realised he could get it cheaper from home. he was an absoulte mess but not in a bad way, just some of the shit that was coming out of his mouth, unreall.
class As are fun aslong as you dont properly hammer them every weekend, were all gona be a bunch of veg when were older due to the class As but u only live once, enjoy it wile u can.
Woah. The thought of mixing so much shit together worries me to much to try. Most i done was 2 lines of base, a few lines of speed and 6 pills. Though i didnt get that fucked.. which i dont understand. Base is ingenious, i love that shit, although it is cocain and speed its still some GOOD shit. The speed was week though.. so that was bound to be shit. and triple dropin pills then snortin the other and takin odd ones now and again, werent to efffective as it wore off…
Back in the 90’s,between 17 and 24,I was taking monthly high quality drugs(crystal mdma,pure speed,acid, mushrooms,and else,and else).It changed my life forever.I had the luck of never having a bad trip,and a lot of other occupations than partying,so I did my way happily thrue drugs…
I never had huge quantities of drugs,being sensible .I still party,but I need less and less drugs to get high.MDMA is the only drug(unless speed) i continue to take(6 or 7 times a year now,no more),and i feel fully alive.
I’m concious being lucky,due to the lot of good friends an relatives who didn’t get thrue,but deep down;Drugs are a personal way,and can afford you the best as the worst.Depends of your personnal background and maybe you karma(stop hitting me,I’m not a Hippy!!!).
But MDMA can be your best friend,opening you to the fact you’ve never been really alone,even lost in the desert(hmm..not clear,but how to explain?).
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