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  • ectasy makes holes in your brain;)

    i personally would rather get my high on music, not drugs

    then again, its just me

    So ecstasy makes holes in your brain does it? Well you live only once and besides, music on XTC feelsssssssss so much better!

    XTC is the shit but the quality ive had just shot thru the floor about 2000/1, so i stopped. however MDMA kicks all pill’s arses back to the fuckin stone age. If you ever come across the powder or crystals- snap that shit up, it’s smooth, pure beautifull, no comedown (more like mushroom fundown). but yes it fucks your serotonin receptor and makes it harder for you to experience happiness in the long run- so use it sporadically. and stay safe!

    hmm – i think the “dain bramage” or “holes in brain” stuff was actually due 2 disassociatives like ketamine or DXM rather than MDMA.

    Pills can cause minor depression though – 4 most not the nightmare mental illness scenario whipped up by tabloids but remember what goes up must come down. Pills r not a substitute for dealing with problems / reponsibilities / shitty but necessary stuff in your life either… careful u do not get in2 domestic battles with partners / parents / relatives on comedowns as well (this is the sort of shit that gives us a bad name!)

    soemtimes there are blips in quality (usually thanks 2 cops busting a powder shipment so pills r made with less MDMA or dubious substitutes) but a lot of the “not as good as it used 2 be” happens when people do a fair bit 4 weeks – u get tolerance 2 the effects…

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Did n e 1 c the documentary on BBC3 last night (14/08/03)? There was a clinical psych on there saying that “E” was not addictive (and that’s official) but extended and prolonged usage can cause problems in the depression side of things. Basically he said that if you are going to use it don’t cain it every weekend, drink if you dance and sweat don’t drink if you sit around doing nothing. This is where the problems are with those who suffered death because they or those about them where misinformed about the drug and its effects. (Leah Betts is a case in point. Her parents fed her water, because they had heard that “E” cause dehydration, consequently thier misinformation caused her death. Leah, was overhydrated and that causes death just as much as dehydration. The media over sensationalise these things, in cahoots with Babylon to try and control us all.

    My aadvice is the same as that psych, if you are going to do “E” don’t cain it every weekend. Give yourself a break every now and again so you don’t have to keep taking more and more to get the same effect. Drink as much water as you need to replace that which you have lost through sweating, if you don’t sweat then don’t drink. And like a previous post says, if you can afford it, use powder and crystal instead of pills. They are purer and they don’t leave you with that monged out fealing after. Keep safe, and stay happy:D

    It can get messy… allow yourself enough time to recover from each weekend…

    Read up on SSRI’s….

    When you take an E the boost of serotonin is obscene… that’s why, come the middle of the week your ‘comedown’ rears it’s gurning head….

    This shit-happening actually takes a worse turn with women than it does men, as, unfortunately, the production of serotonin in the brain, and the (serotonin) re-uptake is lower in women than in men….

    Read up on SSRI’s… you’ll get some sort of inkling as to what goes on when you do take an e.

    And just as a PS …pop an e, and it can take almost a month before your serotonin level becomes stabilised.

    Although Ecstasy may seem none too harmful despite what some reports have proclaimed recently, from practical experience I believe it has notable side effects, at least in the short term, and that moderation is important. However it seems that the research which supposedly showed Ecstasy leaves holes in your brain has definately been refuted.

    Quote:
    “There are no holes in the brains of ecstasy users,” says Stephen Kish, a neuropathologist at the Center for Addiction and Health in Toronto. “And if anyone wants a straightforward answer to whether ecstasy causes any brain damage, it’s impossible to get one from these papers.” Marc Laruelle, a Columbia University expert on brain scanning probes, agrees: “All the papers have very significant scientific limitations that make me uneasy.”

    For details of more recent / scientific findings read this…

    http://www.partyvibe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=960

    The truth is no-one really knows what it does.

    I agree, wholeheartedly!

    But, to try and convince, or maybe, not convince but to educate others to the vagaries and covert dangers is better than not at all!

    Rather to know what to do and the shortfalls, than go in eyes wide shut!

    Yeah.

    We can all sit here saying do this and do that (which is good) but why has the government left this job to us?

    They KNOW people like to have a good time which involves drugs, millions of us do it so why can no one in power make any step to giving us REAL advice rather than: “Don’t do the killer rave drug”.

    I live in London where there are shit loads of clubs with shit loads of drugs but still THEY don’t want to believe it. Get real.

    Have a good weekend people.

    … a bit pissed…

    Unfortunately, the responsibility does lie with us.

    Yeah, I wish that I could rely on my peers (I’m 40) or even a generation younger than me, to dish out information, and no not the …. ‘drugs are bad for you… you will die’ or ‘you will end up in a life of crime trying to sustain you habit’ type of information.

    The thing with pills or e’s on MDMA is the fact that it has not been recognised officially, therefore, there are no ‘official’ studies or medical surveys in to the effects of useage/over use/constant use……… USE. FULL STOP.

    So, regrettably, yes, responsibility at this time in point, and in previous years, does fall on us……. for the simple fact……. we seem to know more about the effects/side effects/after effects than most!

    And not through choice!!!

    Stay safe x

    Spot on, bela. we shall just have to keep the faith.

    And no mater how shit you may feel from the drugs that may make you feel this way, at least we are talking about it.

    Have a good one.

    Originally posted by mdma
    Yeah.

    We can all sit here saying do this and do that (which is good) but why has the government left this job to us?

    They KNOW people like to have a good time which involves drugs, millions of us do it so why can no one in power make any step to giving us REAL advice rather than: “Don’t do the killer rave drug”.

    I live in London where there are shit loads of clubs with shit loads of drugs but still THEY don’t want to believe it. Get real.

    Have a good weekend people.

    … a bit pissed…

    its a bit more complicated than that

    the government in a “democratic” country such as the UK has far less power than many realise – after all they can be voted out every 5 years. in some way this is a good thing but in others it can be a bind

    a lot of ppl in the “govt” (more in local councils and drug action teams) now realise prohibition doesn’t work. The crack/heroin epidemic in cities is now held to be a direct result of the previous governments anti-pill campaigns, which just led people 2 take more dangerous drugs mistakenly thinking “they r safer”! There have been attempts to change the balance – and official drugs info these days is a lot less judgemental than it used to be 10-12 years ago.

    But remember although there are a lot of drug users they are still a comparative minority. And there is still the problem of people from “recreational” scenes such as the rave scene slipping into “dependency” markets – I am aware of people I know on the scene who get on on bad comedowns and start taking heroin, crack and other nasty stuff. This is not to say every1 does this, but just a few people doing this is obviously a bad thing. Especially as these people commit crimes

    there is the also stuff such as people lunching out work on mondays due to a bad comedown (so their coleagues have 2 pick up the work) or making errors at work due to lack of sleep

    the “rest of society” (which doesn’t take drugs) sees all this and doesn’t think we deserve to be allowed to take them. They would rather see us die – and yes, it is as harsh as that.

    and of course this hate creates a “fuck you” attitude from the drug users against society, so more crime happens and families are split apart when parents refuse to accept their kids drug use and their kids refuse to do “normal” stuff such as study / work / helping out around the house as the drugs culture amplifies youth rebellion. Ive seen it go as far as middle class kids in suburban english cities ending up as beggars due to this; its sad really 2 see it happen.

    Also if an EU country tries to do “liberal” stuff with drugs they get the USA complaining to the embassy, and the USA threatens to remove financial investment from that country or launch trade sanctions against this.

    Most of the “killer drug” stories are whipped up by the tabloid media. The govt has very little to do with them!

    Basically (and I can only speak for the UK as I don’t know the situation elsewhere) if tony blair did a miraculous u-turn and legalised all drugs, both the anti-drugs people in Britain and the yanks would try to oust him by whatever means possible. economic, political, even by violence (terrorism). Even though we backed up the USA in the war, the anti-drugs sentiment in the USA is so strong it would override this 🙁

    Any politician who legalised drugs would see the country plunged into civil conflict. none of them would take this risk; So its left 2 us to provide the information and guidance..

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel über dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.

    Bring on the cloggies’ approach to drugs where using is tackled as a medical issue rather than a criminal one!

    oh my goodness. i do e. and so does everyone that i hang out with. just be careful, and try to know what is going on around you. funn times people. fun times.

    I agree. People can say “Don’t Use Drugs” all they want, but reality is that people are going to use them regardless. The best thing to do is educate others about experiences and how to be safe when using drugs.

    MY OPINIONS: One important thing when rolling: TAKE VITAMIN C (at least 1,000 mg) and/or VITAMIN E! They help to limit, if not eliminate neurotoxicity.

    It’s good to take a little 5-HTP (about 100-200mg) before rolling to build up serotonin levels and then to take it for several days afterwards to help rebuild levels: L-Tryptophan –> 5-HTP –> Serotonin. I take 50mg of 5-HTP twice every day to help keep my serotonin levels up to improve mood and promote healthy sleep. Also, taking Vitamin B6 (up to 100mg is plenty) with 5-HTP helps your body to convert 5-HTP into serotonin.

    Taking Magnesium (about 100-400mg) before rolling will help to reduce jaw clenching.

    I’ve also read that taking some DLPA before or after rolling is also beneficial.

    Here are several sites that will help to educate about Ecstasy use. The first one really helps you understand what is going on in your brain when you are on Ecstasy:
    Watch the Slideshow: http://www.dancesafe.org/slideshow/index.html

    Don’t use Ecstasy with Wellbutrin (my experience): http://www.rxlist.com/rxboard/wellbutrin.pl?read=2614

    Buy some 5-HTP:
    http://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/GroupSubgroupItemList.asp?subgroupid=L5HTP
    http://www.thebetterhealthstore.com/ItemDetail.asp?sku=3373900105

    Other sites:
    http://thedea.org/
    http://www.mdma.net/
    http://www.ecstasy.org/
    http://www.pillreports.com/
    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml
    http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro01/web2/Flannagan.html

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