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  • I’ve done some academic course work on it and the places that do community based initiatives had the most success during the pill boom but now we’ve switched to heroin and fentanyl analogues sold as heroin and some counter-fit pills that are probably fentanyl but I imagine the solutions that worked in that would work again although the places that implemented them were mostly just random places in Appalachia that had a bright idea and were able to implement it.

    How available are replacement therapies like methadone, subutex etc. in the US? Would someone need to have health insurance for such medications or are things like this, which are in the public interest get given free?

    They’re pretty available, not gonna act like it isn’t a pain in the ass with clinics opening at like 5:30 and closing at noon but generally that also includes some outpatient therapy and a methadone prescription is dirt cheap cause it is off patent if someone is willing to write you a prescription instead of you going to the clinic everyday although that falls under the same prescribing constraints as opioids. Methadone treatment at a clinic is covered under Medicaid in most states which is our public insurance for people who are shit poor although some states expanded medicaid when we enacted the Affordable Care Act (not mine of course).

    It isn’t free but its pretty cheap and most recovering addicts are probably on Medicaid if eligible so like it isn’t a total hardship to the individual but given how low the income thresholds are for Medicaid in some states (like $3,000 a year in some places) whatever copays exist may prevent some people from getting treatment even if they have insurance. Some of the newer opioid blockers that might still be on patent are super expensive. Lack of insurance is definitely a barrier with some counties having double digit % of uninsured with some of those same counties being hit super hard by heroin at the moment. Methadone itself is affordable even without insurance, going to a clinic every day to get your methadone dose ain’t and that seems to be the route that is taken due to adherence and relapse concerns.

    On the plus side nalaxone is free now literally almost everywhere, I think we’re a few years away from even talking about replacement therapies being free but given the rate at which people are dropping and the fact that they are mostly white people now there will probably be some movement although they are white trash generally so neither Republicans who they vote for or Democrats who kind of loathe them are super eager to look out for their interests. As heroin has moved into suburbia that has started to change perceptions, politicians and communities are more concerned if it is an honors student from a well to do family that ODs compared to someone from the trailer park. I think the epidemic is going to more or less run its course and then we’ll try and fix it in hindsight but it is systemic problems that even free treatment wouldn’t totally fix.


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      [quote quote=1262372]It’s sickening that the government which made this country’s drug problem worse and roughly doubled the number of deaths per year with their NPS ban refuse to do anything to prevent these deaths. It wouldn’t surprise me if the fuckers in government privately wish more drug users would die every year.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/25/glasgow-drugs-summits-highlight-contrast-in-uk-and-scottish-approaches[/quote]

      This sounds already a fact with the heroin crisis in USA, I am sure that the government is for a big part responsible for that, happzy as more people die and found a good reason giving hard sentences to heroin dealears and users

      Why the fuck is my post awaiting moderation?

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      It’s sickening that the government which made this country’s drug problem worse and roughly doubled the number of deaths per year with their NPS ban refuse to do anything to prevent these deaths. It wouldn’t surprise me if the fuckers in government privately wish more drug users would die every year.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/25/glasgow-drugs-summits-highlight-contrast-in-uk-and-scottish-approaches

      This sounds already a fact with the heroin crisis in USA, I am sure that the government is for a big part responsible for that, happzy as more people die and found a good reason giving hard sentences to heroin dealears and users[/quote]

      You are exactly right. The pharmaceutical industry that developed some of the most addictive opiates also rewarded doctors for prescribing them. Suddenly the government says you can’t prescribe these willy nilly and suddenly you have an entire country with an opium based addiction who can’t get their fix and have no choice but to turn to heroin and the worst of the dark markets.

      The government caused the epidemic and they dealt with it in the worst way possible.

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      It’s sickening that the government which made this country’s drug problem worse and roughly doubled the number of deaths per year with their NPS ban refuse to do anything to prevent these deaths. It wouldn’t surprise me if the fuckers in government privately wish more drug users would die every year.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/25/glasgow-drugs-summits-highlight-contrast-in-uk-and-scottish-approaches

      This sounds already a fact with the heroin crisis in USA, I am sure that the government is for a big part responsible for that, happzy as more people die and found a good reason giving hard sentences to heroin dealears and users

      You are exactly right. The pharmaceutical industry that developed some of the most addictive opiates also rewarded doctors for prescribing them. Suddenly the government says you can’t prescribe these willy nilly and suddenly you have an entire country with an opium based addiction who can’t get their fix and have no choice but to turn to heroin and the worst of the dark markets.

      The government caused the epidemic and they dealt with it in the worst way possible.[/quote]Just want to throw in that for the longest time the Mexican Cartels could only cook black tar and now make fine powder heroin and are the main supplier (90%) in the USA. That has changed the dynamic greatly, I don’t want to let Purdue Pharma off the hook completely they made a lot of pill heads who moved to dope but a good number of the younger addicts got into the game after pills largely went away. I think like 1/3 of new heroin users starts with shooting up like skip the bullshit with pills or smoking or snorting, whereas 10 years ago anyone who went straight to shooting skipped the queue and was an anomaly and while heroin was around during my formative years it wasn’t a draw because the crowd was kinda seedy and I think that has likely changed some as it has taken over suburbia.

      [quote quote=1262424]How available are replacement therapies like methadone, subutex etc. in the US? Would someone need to have health insurance for such medications or are things like this, which are in the public interest get given free?[/quote]

      Talk to your doctor. You will need a prescription and a dose prescription.

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