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    Originally posted by Claire
    Well gildas I don’t have to explain myself to you and I won’t, you can’t call me a naughty girl when you don’t know nothing about me or my situation

    Its ok Claire “who’s a naughty girl then” is Gildas avatar – it will appear at the bottom of any post (s)he makes.

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    yeh, Gabba, it also appears on my favourite tshirt, along with a picture of a pair of handcuffs (click click) So you may see me at a party sometime πŸ™‚

    No offence taken Claire – but PLEASE stay off the smack until you are AT LEAST 75 and are sick of the world.

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    Yeah I understand your concerns and it is much appreciated, but I am staying away as I’ve got a little girl and a life to fight for. I’m glad you weren’t offended.

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    P.S. you can email me privately if you want to chat more.

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    To avoid any future misunderstandings – on this board there is a horizontal line separating a persons message content and their tagline that appears on all posts (in my case the parody lyrics..)

    I am also really pleased to hear about you quitting; way too many ravers have got on to heroin/opiates or at least tried it through the wider drugs culture…

    I used to know another girl called Claire from my city who got into the class As and injecting too much (via ketamine use BTW….). She started out as your average raver and then got more and more into drugs; like a lot of people round here.

    She wasn’t as lucky as you.

    She never got to have her baby (her GP advised her to have a termination) and shortly after ending her childs life she ended her own in a Reading squat.

    your story, although harsh at the outset shows at least some hope; I really hope you continue to pull through and create a better life for your kid.

    Auch wenn du am Abgrund stehst, und gar nichts mehr verstehst,
    wachen Engel ΓΌber dich, halten dich im Licht und lassen dich nie fallen.
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    The services provided to people trying to kick are very patchy in different parts of the country… In Plymouth you may find yourself being given heroin as part of your cure (a reasonable approach I feel). In Exeter you will have your medication (Subutex, methodone etc) stopped immeadiately if you fail a single urine sample.

    It’s not uncommon for parents or family of long term addicts to sell / remortgage their homes (if they hve that luxury) to pay for private treatment. Private doctors often provide much higher doses of Subutex during the replacement / stabilisation period.

    One rule for those who can pay and another for those that can’t.

    Also, different people have different tendancies towards intoxication: I find the effects of downers (from valium to heroin) annoying and frustrating…I don’t even smoke weed very often and definately not as a social thing.

    If you think that escapism or deep relaxation drugs appeal to you stay away from wag. Even if you think the occasional toot won’t affect your life stay away from wag.

    Finally, a sincere well done to Claire and all those who are on the road to kicking. I hope you can draw the strength you need from a million places.

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    I’ve done smack, I never got freaky with a needle but I’ve bumped it, quite a few times, I wouldn’t really recommend it, it’s cool while it lasts, but it grabs you like hell. After two times, you’re hooked, and it’s the hardest thing I’ve ever had to try to get off. It’s after-smack is also crazy… I would rather make friends with some xanie’s… but that’s just me…

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    Originally posted by JulietMarie
    After two times, you’re hooked

    Bit of a generalisation there, opiates are addictive, they are pain killers, this works on an emotional and physical level, 33% of the population are given opiate based painkillers during their lifetime (operations/cancer etc) if there are things in your life you would like to avoid opiates can offer relief, unfortunately it is difficult to obtain a clean supply meaning financial and health considerations cause many users to get into serious shit, in addition avoiding pain does not make lifes hassels go away and in many cases causes further greif.
    recent tests on street brought Heroin in London revealed a 6% purity this means you are paying a fortune for shit. some people can smoke non-problematically for years but is it really worth the risk?
    the chances are one day you will wake up(hopefully) and find non of your issues have gone away but all of your friends have.

    if you want this kind of buzz, smoke opium, its not so common and thus seems self limiting.

    sorry if inchorheant not slept;) bit mash.

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    Ok, so you basically repeated what I said, except you added a bunch of blah-blah-blah’s to sound good. He/She was asking about HEROIN, not OPIUM…. and if you don’t think opium is addictive, you have obviously never done it, and you obviously have NO knowledge of China, opium IS addictive which is why the penalty for having it is DEATH. That’s right, you can be killed in China for posessing opium, at least you could at one time, I’m not too sure about now. Anyway, back to the actual topic at hand…. you can get hooked after two hits with H, which again, is what the person was talking about. No shit opiates are pain killers, pain killers are highly addictive, of course some more than others, I mean, you’re gonna get hooked on Oxycontin long before you would like, Vicodin, I don’t even really think you can get hooked on Vic’s, I dunno, people have claimed it, but people have also claimed that there is such a thing as red opium, so who knows… but, anyway, again, why did you feel the need to reiterate everything I said only in some weird way answer a question completely off topic? Not your finest hour….

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    Originally posted by JulietMarie
    Ok, so you basically repeated what I said, except you added a bunch of blah-blah-blah’s to sound good. He/She was asking about HEROIN, not OPIUM…. and if you don’t think opium is addictive, you have obviously never done it, and you obviously have NO knowledge of China, opium IS addictive which is why the penalty for having it is DEATH. That’s right, you can be killed in China for posessing opium, at least you could at one time, I’m not too sure about now. Anyway, back to the actual topic at hand…. you can get hooked after two hits with H, which again, is what the person was talking about. No shit opiates are pain killers, pain killers are highly addictive, of course some more than others, I mean, you’re gonna get hooked on Oxycontin long before you would like, Vicodin, I don’t even really think you can get hooked on Vic’s, I dunno, people have claimed it, but people have also claimed that there is such a thing as red opium, so who knows… but, anyway, again, why did you feel the need to reiterate everything I said only in some weird way answer a question completely off topic? Not your finest hour….

    What is this all about JulietMarie?

    I think ChiffChuff had quite a few points that you didn’t touch on, such as the 6% purity result.

    Even if there is a little crossover, everybody has a different way of putting things, that’s what makes dicussion interesting.

    You sound a little paranoid tbh πŸ™

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    They asked about heroin, I answered about heroin, he was trying to “disprove” me by talking about opiates in general which wasn’t the topic at hand at all. And, it wouldn’t even make sense to disprove addiction by talking about opium because opium is addictive…. and I might be a little paranoid, I’m pretty fucked up right now… πŸ˜›

    xoxo juliet

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    I don’t think this comment claims opium isn’t addictive

    Originally posted by cliffchuff

    if you want this kind of buzz, smoke opium, its not so common and thus seems self limiting.

    But i’m not going to get dragged into pedantry

    This is a public discussion forum which promotes PLUR

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    You’re exactly right, it didn’t come right out and say opium wasn’t addictive, I feel that it was somewhat implied- or if not implied just kinda skipped over completely, but that was strictly my take on it, which could be completely off. I’m all about PLUR, but I’m also about keeping facts straight and making sure people don’t get the wrong idea about any drug, including opium -which can be dangerous. But you are right, he/she didn’t come right out and say it was addictive, and maybe I was wrong in taking it out of context. As long as it’s stated for the record that opium is pretty highly addictive, I’m a happy camper. And, it’s also relatively expensive, but it smells sooooo good….

    xoxo juliet xoxo

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    my father had a heroin(amongst other things) habit during the 60’s. He gave up for the final time in 1969 and apparently thought about ‘having a little more’ everday for the rest of his. Obviously he could have told me this to scare me? But he spent the last 10yrs of his life as a drugs counsellor and generally gave me sound advice.

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    Claire im toby im 24 i was a heroin addict for 6 years and i dont need to go in to what ive lost cas you WILL no what “everything” means….you sound to be doin well keep it up i no how fucking dam hard it is im on 30m of methadone i was on 200 but ive been reducing for about a year now ……and ther isnt a morning that goes by that i dont wake up and thing about sticking that needle in me but it used to be worse i used to think about all day as well but today its not so bad…..good luck wiv it anyway it will be worth it

    Toby…..x

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