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  • Scary stuff indeed,cant help thinking that theres probs other kids doing exactly the same thing (peer pressure and all that) perhaps a bit youngerr even,Hope not:you_crazy:you_crazy

    The worlds gone mad! I blame the society…

    I blame the youth of today:yakk:

    ii think i can sum up the problem here i my local kids are suposed to be out by 7 however the barmen do be sayin over the tanoy a 9 children could u plese take ur perents home

    TBH I think at least occasional drug use amongst “tweens” (age 11-14) is now becoming fairly widespread.

    Its understandably more shocking when its heroin but kids are regularly smoking cannabis from age 11 upwards and perhaps taking the odd pill or two and this has been going on for maybe about 4-5 years now.

    Pills are now at pocket money prices, compared to early 90s when they could be £10-15 each

    Its probably cheaper to get pilled up than to drink and easier to get to an illegal rave (or just get mashed in your mates house) with most venues clamping down on ID’ing youths…

    TBH the biggest problem isn’t so much these kids are going to OD but they are going to find it hard to concentrate in high school and pass exams; (lets face it, who would want to sit in class on a comedown?) – and IMO “underage” drug use is one of the biggest things that makes ordinary people support prohibition..

    Its really scary! especially how things change…. I mean I only started smoking weed when I was 17 and that was the like the first time i properly tried it as well…. first time i properly came across it aswell! I was a good kid! then it went downhill from there was only a year later I started doing pills and then speed and then coke and now whatever I fancy! lol

    Dark, i think special efforts should be made to make sure kids cant get hold of hard drugs. Dealers are just fukin greedy at the end of the day!


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      Did anybody see this program last night ??

      Six heroin addicts agreed to spend the last week in a remote Scottish farmhouse in a trial of a controversial detox treatment involving Neuro-Electric Therapy to the brain. A BBC Five Live reporter has been living in the house to assess how they get on.

      “Look, can you see it filling up with blood now?” Ronnie is injecting himself with heroin. “I’m pushing it in, I’m pushing it in, I’m pushing it in”.

      Ronnie gets his hit and passes out. David, next to him on the bed, digs into his own arms with a needle, over and over again, trying to find a useable vein.

      He is becoming increasingly afraid. He is feeling the onset of heroin withdrawal – the dreaded “rattles”.

      He pulls his tourniquet tighter round his arm, and talks about his 14-year-old son.

      He has told him this is the time he will finally get clean: “Of course, he gives you the eyes. I’ve heard that before Dad, know what I mean?”

      Controversial treatment

      It’s Friday night. On Saturday morning, Ronnie, David, and four other addicts will become guinea-pigs.

      They have agreed to take part in a trial of Neuro-Electric Therapy – a controversial addiction treatment that involves having low electrical pulses transmitted into the brain.

      It is claimed the device can speed up the withdrawal process

      NET, as it is known, was developed in the 1970s by Scottish doctor, Meg Patterson.
      It has been used on private patients including rock musicians Eric Clapton and Pete Townshend, from The Who.

      But three decades later, Dr Patterson’s family are still trying to convince a sceptical medical profession it could be a viable treatment for the UK’s 360,000 heroin addicts.

      They hope this trial – the first of its kind to take place in the UK – will help their cause.

      The NET box is about the size of a personal stereo, it’s got a 9-volt battery and it is attached behind each ear by electrodes.

      Natural painkillers

      The theory goes, that specific pulses pushed through the head stimulate the brain’s painkillers, known as endorphins, and ease the pain of drug withdrawal.

      Apart from electrical stimulation, the addicts are given nothing to ease the pain.

      Lorne Patterson, Meg’s oldest son and the chief clinician on this trial, says NET works on the brain like the choke works on a car.

      “When the engine’s sluggish, you pull the choke out. We are taking a process (of withdrawal) that normally takes weeks, months, or years, and we are accelerating that natural process to within six to ten days.”

      This first UK group trial was not an unmitigated success. Ronnie and David were the first to quit – after just 36 hours.

      When they left, silver foil and heroin paraphernalia were found in a bathroom they had both been using.

      It emerged later that two other addicts had also been smoking heroin within the farmhouse. Cracks in security that had seemed obvious to some were in danger of ruining the trial.

      Questions are still being asked – How did drugs get into the house? Why did nobody think to search the addicts’ baggage?

      Determination

      Four down. Two to go. Alan is a talented artist who hasn’t painted or drawn since he first got hooked, and Glen, who was taking levels of opiates that left drugs-workers shaking their heads in disbelief.

      “90millilitres of methadone? Every day?? On top of his heroin? He’ll be the one to crack first. Bound to be,” they said.

      From the outset though, Glen and Alan seemed to have more determination than the other four. And that appears to have made all the difference.


      Now, at the end of trial, both appear, so far as can be told, to have successfully kicked their habits.

      Watching someone as heroin leaves their system is like watching a corpse come back to life.

      Hour by hour, as their detox progressed, almost everything about Alan and Glen changed. They went from deathly-pale to ruddy-cheeked.

      They underwent waves of emotion, as their feelings came rushing back to them.

      The heroin, it was explained, had been suppressing their senses. As it left their system, emotion came back, sob by sob.

      Smell food

      They explained they were thinking, for the first time, about the people they had hurt over the years of their addiction.

      They sniffed the air and gazed out of windows, saying they could smell food and see birds for the first time since they started using.

      As experiments go, two successes out of six subjects does not look ideal. But if Alan and Glen are both able to stay off heroin, that’s two families with their dads back.

      Both men said afterwards they would not have been able to stick to drug-free withdrawal without the help of NET.

      Where does this trial leave the Patterson family, and their attempt to prove Neuro-Electric Therapy actually works?

      I suspect, not where they want to be. But there is enough money in the pot for one more try, starting in two weeks time.

      They say they will try to clamp down on security, learn from their mistakes, and have another go.

      Five Live Report, “Hooked Up” will be broadcast as part of the Julian Worricker programme Sunday 4th February at 1100 GMT…

      elretardo87 wrote:
      i agree with globalloon and also the people who post on this site tend to be recreational drug users not junkies.

      I thought people posting on this site where open minded people who don’t like to generalize. How very wrong of me!

      I am/was a ‘Junkie’ and I post on this site. I have also seen alot of people on here who are recovering heroin addicts or junkies as you so fondly put it!!!

      Take a look around, educate yourself hun! x

      I am a recreational drug user now in fact I hardly take anything now but only a few years ago when I was married my wife (now ex wife) was and still is (the last time I heard) a heroin / crack cocaine addict and I also had a bit (just a bit) of a habit on both of them too thoe.

      I found crack the hardest to give up, even now I still think about it (a lot) the Heroin for me started with the rock I was using it to stop craving the crack pipe and it was a lot cheaper.

      I was never as bad on it as my wife though. I did start to pin it up regularly with one of my wife’s friends Gabby (now dead at 26) but the last time I done that was 2002, my uncle also died on it he was only 39.

      The amount of friends I have lost on it is too many to mention the last I heard about was Martin 37 a friend for over 23 years old who died only 2 months ago after (so Ive been told) injecting contaminated smack I don’t know what I’m trying to say here. But I’d just like people know that I can’t speak for everyone on here but I’m definatly open minded and I think that 99% of the people on here are when it comes to discussing drug habits.

      I do agree ‘HARTY’ but what elretardo87 had said had just annoyed me a bit, thats all.

      I too have found most of the people on here open minded with regards to drugs, jsut some people need educating thats all!!:laugh_at:

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      Ellie_** wrote:
      I do agree ‘HARTY’ but what elretardo87 had said had just annoyed me a bit, thats all.

      I too have found most of the people on here open minded with regards to drugs, jsut some people need educating thats all!!:laugh_at:

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      I agree….

      I dont like being referred to as ‘a junkie’… Im not any more, I was for 8 years.
      I used to refer to myself as a junkie, but don’t like other people referring to us as that.

      ‘Junkies’ are actually people too, with feelings…

      SD wrote:
      I agree….

      I dont like being referred to as ‘a junkie’… Im not any more, I was for 8 years.
      I used to refer to myself as a junkie, but don’t like other people referring to us as that.

      ‘Junkies’ are actually people too, with feelings…

      HERE HERE, me dear!!!! 😉

      Hi,

      Was wondering if anyone could help me out. Just found out that a close one is on heroin which makes my skin crawl, but will do my up most to make him get off the dirty stuff!!

      He not willing to go to doctors and prescribe him some subutex. Can you buy these online without the need of a prescription? Any help would be most helpful and appreciated, feel free to pm me or leave replay on this forum.

      Has he been to see his local drugs action teams? they may have a dr he would feel more comfortable with…

      In the UK subutex is a prescription only medicine as far as I know and, to be honest, medical advice would be necessary to use it safely as the condition of his liver will need to be checked to make sure he can take it safely anyway.

      Could you give us a bit more info [where you are might be a start] so that pv members can offer more useful advice to you?

      :group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

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