This is a thread for discussions around Lysergic acid diethylamide also known as ACID or LSD…
Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used United States and Canadian citizens as its test subjects. The published evidence indicates that Project MK-ULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.
Project MK-ULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms’ destruction order.
Although the CIA insists that MK-ULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a “cover story.”
On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:
The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an “extensive testing and experimentation” program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens “at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.” Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to “unwitting subjects in social situations.” At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.
To this day most specific information regarding Project MKULTRA remains highly classified.
But they were given the hallucinogen in mind control tests, and some volunteers had terrifying hallucinations.
The Foreign Office said the secret intelligence body MI6 had made the settlements after legal advice.
The out-of-court settlements are thought to be under £10,000 for each of the men.
In a statement issued later to the BBC News website, the Ministry of Defence said it did not make any admission of liability in respect of the settlements.
The statement added: “The Ministry of Defence is very grateful to all those whose participation in studies at Porton Down made possible the research to provide safe and effective protection for UK Armed Forces.”
A spokesman for the Foreign Office, which oversees MI6, said: “The settlement offers were made to the government on behalf of the three claimants which, on legal advice, and in the particular circumstances of these cases, the government thinks it appropriate to accept.”
The men had volunteered for experiments at the government’s chemical warfare research base at Porton Down in Wiltshire in 1953 and 1954.
Following the settlement, Don Webb, who was a 19-year-old airman at the time, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think they grudgingly acknowledged that they did something wrong.
“They stick to the old maxim: never apologise, never explain. But I think in this case they have decided to pay some money. I think that is as near to an apology or an explanation I’ll get.”
Both he and fellow serviceman Logan Marr, a former shepherd from the Scottish highlands, suffered hallucinations after they were asked to drink a clear liquid.
The third man did not wish to be named.
The research was carried out after British and American governments thought the Soviet Union had developed a “truth drug” which could compel spies and servicemen to yield up important secrets.
MI6 scientists decided to test LSD, the closest thing they thought they had to a truth drug, on volunteers to see how they reacted.
Alan Care, a lawyer who represented the three men, said: “As far as we are aware, these are the first settlements by the secret intelligence services for a personal injury action.”
He added that a request that documents relating to the case be put into the public domain had been refused.
Some volunteers at the base did not find out they had been given LSD until 50 years later. Thousands of servicemen and women have volunteered in the testing of defences against chemical and biological attacks at the Wiltshire military base.
Research began in 1916 using a “volunteers programme”, and up to 20,000 people took part in various trials in the 50 years up to 1989.
Last October, the government was found guilty of breaching the human rights of former soldier Thomas Roche, who claimed he developed health problems as a result of mustard gas and nerve agent tests in 1962 and 1963.
I got sent the link last week, it’s a fucking funny clip. I love the narrator’s comments about the efficiency of the rocket launcher team and the huge grins on the soldiers faces while they take aim.
This movie should serve as a sign to Saddam in my opinion. I think it’s his duty to do the world a big favour and use super strong LSD against his enemies. Mellowing Israel and the US a little could be his christmas present to all of us… woohoo!
Hmmm..what your actually watching is the culmination of about 20 years research into the effects of drugs on military personnel.
This sort of research goes back ay least to WW2, when 34 Nazi scientists signed up to become PAPERCLIP people – they were secretly shipped to the States, given new identities and put back to work on pretty much what they were doing anyway-research into narcohypnosis. They conducted(usually lethal) experiments using a range of chemicals including mescaline, barbiturates and morphine derivatives on camp inmates.
Actually, because of this the US Navy was charged with obtaining industrial and scientific secrets of the Third Reich in 1947.
From then until now most western goverments have conducted experiments even more gruesome on their own nationals, with the good old U S of A coming top of the list for inhumane behaviour
here’s a few american ones:
Project ARTICHOKE: LSD testing on “communist bloc individuals”.
Project BLUEBI RD: commenced 1941 – to develop “unconventional warfare techniques” including behavioural drugs.With domestic testing!
Project CHATTER-US Navy project(commenced 1947) to eliminate free will through drugs-tested on foriegn nationals.
Projects MKSEARCH and MKULTRA were linked to controlling subjects by use of drugs, radiation, electro shock, psychology, harassment and paramilitary devices-clandestine experiments were carried out on unwitting subjects.
Project PANDORA-held to be a programme set up to moniter Soviet microwave bombardment of the US Embassy in Moscow during the 60’s and 70’s,in reality they allowed the bombardment to see the effects of prolonged microwaves in humans.
Project OFTEN-still ongoing,still classified-concerned with the toxilogical effects of drugs on animals and humans.
Some may have already noticed that the projects outlined above are not at all suited to warfare, but ARE suited to control domestic violence, riots, crowds etc. Much of this research has turned out so called ‘Less Than Lethal Weapons’ (LTL). LTL weapons can make you feel sick, or shit yourself, or more chillingly the technology and will exist to deploy LTL’s that control your mind.
Sorry rant over.
Watch the clip again,but this time consider that the soldiers might well have had no idea that they had been given LSD, or that the experiment could have been repeated for days, plus what kind of dosage?
I’ve seen a similar bit of footage of a soldier chained to a bed and injected with 10 000mg’s of acid every day for a week – they took a catscan image of his brain at the time and another 30 years later – the two are much the same and the poor guy has acid flashbacks that last for days.
Makes me wonder who is worse, US or the Nazi’s?
The US also kept about 20-30 african-american men in a camp for over 15 yrs… These men had syphilis, which can be knocked out with a single dose of drugs but instead, the disease was allowed to go untreated and all of the men died from heart, liver, or other organ problems. Most of them also went mad as well, for syphilis also causes insanity in its most advanced stage…
The US govt just admitted to spraying US citizens with biological agents for testing dispersion techniques. I am scared & ashamed to live in this country!
LSD turns 60
Published by Swiss Info – Monday 21 April, 2003
Copyright: Swiss Info
Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), the hallucinogenic drug that defined the Sixties, is celebrating its 60th birthday.
Discovered by the Swiss scientist Albert Hofmann, the drug not only fuelled the hippie age but was also a well-respected treatment for a variety of psychiatric disorders.
For many years it was used to treat alcoholism, obsessive-compulsive disorders and used on patients who had difficulty expressing their emotions.
But it seems that LSD has passed its sell-by date, as the drug is no longer desirable (or legal) for treating such disorders.
Even in the recreational drug scene, LSD is to a large extent a thing of the past with newer drugs such as ecstasy more in vogue with today’s youth than with the baby boomers of days past.
Out of vogue
Hofmann discovered the drug while he was working for the Basel-based pharmaceutical company, Sandoz (which later merged with Ciba-Geigy to become Novartis).
From 1947 to 1966, Sandoz produced and sold LSD tablets and the drug became popular, especially in the United States.
In fact, the 1960s might not have been quite as free loving had the patent for LSD not run out in 1963, which meant the formula for the drug was no longer a secret.
For some, the hallucinogenic effects of LSD were a ticket to the spiritual world, for others it opened doors to their creativity that they never dreamed possible.
In the 1960s and 70s Hofmann received dedications from some of the century’s leading artists, among them “pop” artist Andy Warhol and the author Aldous Huxley, who said their work was influenced by LSD.
During the Second World War, Hofmann was researching circulatory stimulants when he remembered a chemical that had been cast away as ineffective five years earlier.
It was a derivate of a substance found in ergot, a fungus that grows on rye and other cereals. By 1943, Sandoz had developed improved testing methods, so Hofmann decided to take another look at the chemical.
“By chance, I got a whiff, and immediately felt exhilarated,” he recalled in an interview with swissinfo in 2001 when he turned 95.
His curiosity aroused, Hofmann decided to use himself as a guinea pig. On a spring day he took 0.25 milligrams of LSD – three times the amount needed for a fully-fledged high. “It was a horror trip,” he remembers.
He continued to experiment with the drug and found that the trips brought him visions as well as feelings of happiness.
Hofmann, who condemned the mass use of LSD, said he remains convinced of the drug’s therapeutic properties for the mind.
He is critical of a total ban on LSD. “For psychological purposes and for further research, LSD should be legalised,” he says.
The 97-year-old Hofmann is scheduled to attend a book fair in Basel in early May where he plans to read passages from some of the books that he has written on LSD.
LSD dissolves very well in just about any liquid, including water and alcohol, hence the famous stories of electric kool-aid and so forth.
LSD can definitely be stored in solution. For longer term storage, liquid LSD is generally made by dissolving LSD in alcohol. While it will dissolve just fine in water, it will also degrade relatively quickly unless the water is ultra-pure. There are two reasons for this…LSD degrades in the presence of oxygen, and generally speaking, most water is going to contain enough oxygen to cause noticeable degredation. Second, LSD is destroyed on contact with chlorine. Almost all tap water, and even some bottled water will contain some chlorine. Distilled water is the least likely to contain chlorine, but alcohol (of the highest proof available) will cause the least amount of degredation.
A friend of mine brought back from France a 70cl bottle which said nothing other than “ALCOOL – 96o – BON GOUT”. Apparently it cost only €2.10. This might be good stuff to dissolve the LSD in 🙂
So would i be able to obtain the solution thats soaked into the paper?? How hard would it be to get if so?? Cheers for you help boys!!
I want to try LSD for pure spiritual purpose.
I’m not into taking any kind of liquid or solid or gas or fire, but I have tried some of them. And i’m also aware what LSD can cause.
Now the question is how to get it in London?
I don’t do parties, and don’t have such friends around me.
i’m not trying to be sarcastic or take the piss
i don’t think people sell acid via internet discussion forums… plenty of legal highs available (check some of the threads in the drigs section)
i couldalways fax you a sheet of trips if you were interested in buying in bulk :groucho:
yeh! i’m aware of the legal highs. Not planning to buy in bulk at the moment just want to get a feel of it first. But still no hope for the light in the city of glittering lights. Also aware that no one gonna sell on net. I’m still on the hunt without any success. Once London situation get stablized then gonna walk a little bit see if can get some success.
personally if i were looking for acid i’d go to some psytrance nights or mooch around camden. but then im basically a tourist. my experiences of picking up in london if i don’t get the contact direct from a friend are fucking shocking. i would say finding someone who is friendly and knows the locals is probably the better way in than to directly approach dealers. find some safe trip head and get them to pick up for you, at least the first time. thats what i would do at any rate. you must have some drug bin friends, get them to ask their contacts. wandering around london trying to score trips is a risky fucking pass time.
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