This is a thread for discussions around Lysergic acid diethylamide also known as ACID or LSD…
Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used United States and Canadian citizens as its test subjects. The published evidence indicates that Project MK-ULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.
Project MK-ULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms’ destruction order.
Although the CIA insists that MK-ULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a “cover story.”
On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:
The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an “extensive testing and experimentation” program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens “at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.” Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to “unwitting subjects in social situations.” At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.
To this day most specific information regarding Project MKULTRA remains highly classified.
But they were given the hallucinogen in mind control tests, and some volunteers had terrifying hallucinations.
The Foreign Office said the secret intelligence body MI6 had made the settlements after legal advice.
The out-of-court settlements are thought to be under £10,000 for each of the men.
In a statement issued later to the BBC News website, the Ministry of Defence said it did not make any admission of liability in respect of the settlements.
The statement added: “The Ministry of Defence is very grateful to all those whose participation in studies at Porton Down made possible the research to provide safe and effective protection for UK Armed Forces.”
A spokesman for the Foreign Office, which oversees MI6, said: “The settlement offers were made to the government on behalf of the three claimants which, on legal advice, and in the particular circumstances of these cases, the government thinks it appropriate to accept.”
The men had volunteered for experiments at the government’s chemical warfare research base at Porton Down in Wiltshire in 1953 and 1954.
Following the settlement, Don Webb, who was a 19-year-old airman at the time, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think they grudgingly acknowledged that they did something wrong.
“They stick to the old maxim: never apologise, never explain. But I think in this case they have decided to pay some money. I think that is as near to an apology or an explanation I’ll get.”
Both he and fellow serviceman Logan Marr, a former shepherd from the Scottish highlands, suffered hallucinations after they were asked to drink a clear liquid.
The third man did not wish to be named.
The research was carried out after British and American governments thought the Soviet Union had developed a “truth drug” which could compel spies and servicemen to yield up important secrets.
MI6 scientists decided to test LSD, the closest thing they thought they had to a truth drug, on volunteers to see how they reacted.
Alan Care, a lawyer who represented the three men, said: “As far as we are aware, these are the first settlements by the secret intelligence services for a personal injury action.”
He added that a request that documents relating to the case be put into the public domain had been refused.
Some volunteers at the base did not find out they had been given LSD until 50 years later. Thousands of servicemen and women have volunteered in the testing of defences against chemical and biological attacks at the Wiltshire military base.
Research began in 1916 using a “volunteers programme”, and up to 20,000 people took part in various trials in the 50 years up to 1989.
Last October, the government was found guilty of breaching the human rights of former soldier Thomas Roche, who claimed he developed health problems as a result of mustard gas and nerve agent tests in 1962 and 1963.
I know it’s great innit! raaa
I find mushrooms much more physical, lots of stretching, yawning, tingling, relaxing. It feels like a much more earthy organic trip. They are also more unpredicatable, a mushroom trip is much more likely to try and turn on me than an acid trip, they can be darker and more menacing. Atmosphere and location is much more important with mushrooms than acid. The trip is much shorter and easier to sleep after.
shrooms are more uncomfortable, acid does give u that metallic shivery feeling sometimes though. i just dont like shroom stomach very much, i prefer a few mini dots of lsd which = no illness
I normally get those shivers after an acid trip, when its mostly worn off but it likes to remind me its still there.
I enjoy the intensity of mushrooms but they do fucking ming! :yakk: I don’t even like normal mushrooms so munching down a load of the good ones is always an effort.
haha i like the taste of the mushrooms, its just the grit that gets me… and my stomach crying after eating them
I’m the total opposite, my stomach tolerates them fine, its just my mouth that objects! :laugh_at:
I think I come off better. They might be minging but once they’ve gone they’ve gone. Feeling sick and uncomfortable in the stomach would really put a downer on the trip I imagine.
I love the peak time of a really good mushroom trip when your on your ass laughing at everything feeling euphoric and tripping balls, but when they start to wear off I always find the transition of being tripping to coming back to reality a little harsh, where as with acid I think the overall trip is alot smoother from start to finish. Most of my acid trips have been alot more memorable than mushroom trips, mushrooms are going to make you not want to do much except sit/lie down on something comfy where as acid gives you energy and lots of creative inspirations/ideas. Acid is the one for me for sure:love:
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