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Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used United States and Canadian citizens as its test subjects. The published evidence indicates that Project MK-ULTRA involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methods, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.
Project MK-ULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973; the Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms’ destruction order.
Although the CIA insists that MK-ULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a “cover story.”
On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:
The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an “extensive testing and experimentation” program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens “at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.” Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to “unwitting subjects in social situations.” At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.
To this day most specific information regarding Project MKULTRA remains highly classified.
Project MKULTRA – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But they were given the hallucinogen in mind control tests, and some volunteers had terrifying hallucinations.
The Foreign Office said the secret intelligence body MI6 had made the settlements after legal advice.
The out-of-court settlements are thought to be under £10,000 for each of the men.
In a statement issued later to the BBC News website, the Ministry of Defence said it did not make any admission of liability in respect of the settlements.
The statement added: “The Ministry of Defence is very grateful to all those whose participation in studies at Porton Down made possible the research to provide safe and effective protection for UK Armed Forces.”
A spokesman for the Foreign Office, which oversees MI6, said: “The settlement offers were made to the government on behalf of the three claimants which, on legal advice, and in the particular circumstances of these cases, the government thinks it appropriate to accept.”
The men had volunteered for experiments at the government’s chemical warfare research base at Porton Down in Wiltshire in 1953 and 1954.
Following the settlement, Don Webb, who was a 19-year-old airman at the time, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think they grudgingly acknowledged that they did something wrong.
“They stick to the old maxim: never apologise, never explain. But I think in this case they have decided to pay some money. I think that is as near to an apology or an explanation I’ll get.”
Both he and fellow serviceman Logan Marr, a former shepherd from the Scottish highlands, suffered hallucinations after they were asked to drink a clear liquid.
The third man did not wish to be named.
The research was carried out after British and American governments thought the Soviet Union had developed a “truth drug” which could compel spies and servicemen to yield up important secrets.
MI6 scientists decided to test LSD, the closest thing they thought they had to a truth drug, on volunteers to see how they reacted.
‘Volunteers programme’
Alan Care, a lawyer who represented the three men, said: “As far as we are aware, these are the first settlements by the secret intelligence services for a personal injury action.”
He added that a request that documents relating to the case be put into the public domain had been refused.
Some volunteers at the base did not find out they had been given LSD until 50 years later. Thousands of servicemen and women have volunteered in the testing of defences against chemical and biological attacks at the Wiltshire military base.
Research began in 1916 using a “volunteers programme”, and up to 20,000 people took part in various trials in the 50 years up to 1989.
Last October, the government was found guilty of breaching the human rights of former soldier Thomas Roche, who claimed he developed health problems as a result of mustard gas and nerve agent tests in 1962 and 1963.
BBC NEWS | UK | MI6 payouts over secret LSD tests
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has anyone ever experianced a really spiritual, religious lsd trip?
i did about a couple of weeks ago. i saw what i think heaven was like and had the feeling of innerpeace and eternal happiness. although i died, when i went to heaven i felt as if i had finally reached eaverything i had wanted to do.
i dunno how long i as there for but as i started coming back down to earth i felt as if i was being reborn and i grew and learnt everything i knew all over again. as i faded into where i was before. i felt as if i had a meaning to life i never had before. also i had alot more motivation to do well in life. it also felt as if my mind/spirit was finally free to help me along the rest of my life.
i have read abit about buddhism, meditation and seeing through the third eye. and it seemed to fit into those three things extremly well is this what the religion of buddhism is about?
i feel abit confused so could anyone help explain my experiance, or had a similar one they would like to share
cheers raaa
Yes.I was your age and it did change my whole life until today.
We can talk about it by PM if you wish,I remember that my come-back-on-earth wasn’t the easiest thing I had to go thrue…
Welcome to the Club,BTW,:weee:
—2f—
PS:don’t even think about taking any LSD before a long time,it would be a bit risky;;;
never with LSD but i have had a couple of spiritual experiences with psilocybin, just as you described (although I didn’t die)
the first time i had been really down for a long time and it was the catalyst to me ‘fixing’ my life, permanently
it sounds like you have had a hefty dose of some really fresh, clean acid. the death (of the ego) is typical with LSD ‘prints’ … the term some chemists use for a dose they take to test the first of a new batch of acid, buy putting a drop onto their thumb (so a thumb ‘print’)
i would say be wary of any religious texts at this time. what others say is enlightenment and the routes to it may be false. you need to find your own path 😉
Yeah sounds like an ego death, you might wanna have a look at this site, is quite interesting – http://www.egodeath.com/
Also Max Freakout talks about ego death on his latest podcast.
http://dopecast.libsyn.com/index.php?post_category=Psychonautica – Psychonautica 011
I was just out at a party round my way and a mate had these brown-speckled dinks, that are fabled to be laced with heroin amongst the older ones in our bunch and she had either 4 or 5, which isn’t out of the ordinary for her, but she disappeared to her room for a bit and when we went in to make sure she wasn’t fucking up, she told us that, “Everything’s fine. I spoke to God and he said it was all good. He sorted out [a problem that’d been a major drag-down for her for a long time that I’ll leave out for explanation’s sake] with me and he’s told me what the score is. He says if I need him, if I really need him, he’ll come back, but he said I’m gonna be okay.” Bizarrely, it was a really sobering moment, but equally, you couldn’t help being jealous-to-fuck about it.
I dunno about acid (not clued up about it at all, really) but from what I know about dinks, I’d never heard of this thing before with ecstasy…
Anybody else had summat like that with dinks?
Strong salvia and ‘k’ can bring on powerful spiritual experiences. Also LSD and then taking some MDMA as you peak brings on a totally amazing trip. I have had quite a few variations and each time I work out a different aspect of life.The weird thing is I actually remember most of it. ‘Ego death’, ‘We are all one’ and ‘love nature’ come up quite a bit. At the Glade I realised that we all descended from mud.
well to me, funky, it sounds like something typically experianced during shamanic initiation. its a common theme-the breaking down of the known self, often symbolised by death, and a being built back up better than before, coming back wiser, and gifted with a view that only a few are shown.
the shamans -if you dont already know- were (and still are might i add) the tribal leaders, healers, and mediators of this world and that of the spirits. they’d be the ones to keep the peace, and makes sure everthing is running along smoothly, a master of this world and the next.
buddhism would help, as meditation (i.e. when your mind is focused entirely on a single activity) is a shamans tool for his or her work- it is only when your mind is quiet that one is capable of witnessing the true magic of nature, the substance of the spirit realm i.e. everything you cannot usually perceive.
some books i have read might help you-its entirely your choice where you go with all this, but at the very least remember to follow your instincts-go with your gut little brother!
carlos castaneda is a notable author whose works certainly opened my eyes. it turns out he was a big fraud but nevertheless his books will give you an idea of the shamans duty and training in a beautifully articulate trippy journey through the universe be it external or internal. ive only read tales of power his last book in the trilogy. “the way of wyrd” by brian bates is a story built using records of anglo-saxon shamen and out of the two books i’d read it because its shorter and sweeter. also his experiance draws a parallel with yours.
“the book of the vision quest” by steven foster and meredith little (prentice hall press) is good because it helped me to understand how to show respect with prayer, and the importance of vision, an event that shows you during three days of fasting things about yourself, and where your headed. real stories of real people who have embraced native american beliefs and culture to show us its benefits.
barefoot doctors handbook for the urban warrior is, out of all the books i’ve mentioned would really recommend, though, for its meditations-more fun and less strict than buddhist meditations, it uses taoist visualisations that enable you to work with the “flow” of this crazy existance we call life with all the clear-eyed calm vigour of a modern day shaman man.
but dont listen to me, im just some crazy crusty giving you spiritual top tips over the internet.
just listen to yourself. its you and that gut of yours’ choice how far to take it. you know best
this is all a lot to take in, and this post is yours to pick at over a creme caramelle or two.
anyway its way past my bedtime, and ive spent ages typin this out so im gonna say good luck old chap-have fun figuring out who and what you are.
Hi guys, I have been lurking on this forum for a while but this is my first post so hello everyone! J
I am wondering what I should be paying for L.S.D per ml in liquid form and what do I keep it in?
I had taken it many times before as tabs or diluted droplets from eyedropper bottles at festivals but it has never been available locally until now so obviously I want to snap up a little supply of the stuff.
Unfortunately as I have never bought a significant quantity of it before I really have no idea what I am doing so any information at all would be great as I would rather not walk into a potential rip-off situation.
Thanks for your help.
i thought this was bout puttin tabs on your bellend!?!
its bit uncomfortable but works well
i did about a couple of weeks ago. i saw what i think heaven was like and had the feeling of innerpeace and eternal happiness. although i died, when i went to heaven i felt as if i had finally reached eaverything i had wanted to do.
i dunno how long i as there for but as i started coming back down to earth i felt as if i was being reborn and i grew and learnt everything i knew all over again. as i faded into where i was before. i felt as if i had a meaning to life i never had before. also i had alot more motivation to do well in life. it also felt as if my mind/spirit was finally free to help me along the rest of my life.
i have read abit about buddhism, meditation and seeing through the third eye. and it seemed to fit into those three things extremly well is this what the religion of buddhism is about?
i feel abit confused so could anyone help explain my experiance, or had a similar one they would like to share
cheers raaa
ive read loads of stuff about this, but mainly with dmt rather than acid. Have a look at this book. Dmt the spirit molecule by Dr rick strassman. It details some of the first human trials into dmt. talks about some intersting theories about alien abduction and near death out of body experiences, which the author belives is explained by excessive production of dmt due to high stress levels in the brain. v.interesting.
I had a ‘experience’ on Flyagaric mushrooms and ended up in the loony bin for 3 months if that helps…
fucking hell, harsh mate. how many did you eat? ive wanted to try them for ages, not so sure now.
i love the feeling ov coming home, where your in that euphoric state its different all the time its an eye opener 😛 it’s easy loosing truth on lsd but i luv it because i feel ontop ov the game if there ever was one
These two are legendary! :laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at: (Bit Wrong tho near the end lol!)
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