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  • Perhaps UP4Days, perhaps, but if your life has been fairly unhappy then its possible that heroin can become your best friend.

    Heroin seems to grab unhappy people and then the “rush” that seems to take away your problems is powerful.

    In fact, drugs as a whole ruined my life – not just heroin.

    PEACE

    Heroin is so addictive that drug dealers give free samples to get people hooked.
    The physical addiction (tolerance and presence of withdrawal symptoms in the absence of the drug) that society associates with opiate addiction sets in very gradually. While moderate tolerance can be observed fairly quickly the physical dependance that produces withdrawal symptoms only sets in after a period of weeks or months of continuous daily usage. What is more, tolerance appears to be situationally specific — give a regular user a fix in his usual surroundings, he’s fine, but give him the same dose in an unfamiliar settings and the chances of an overdose skyrocket.

    What is more of a problem is psychological dependancy (that term is not meant to suggest that there isn’t a chemical component like dopamine or other mechanisms involved) and socialization. Studies suggest that for many street users of heroin, being an ‘addict’ may frequently or even usually involve sub-physically-addictive dosages and dosage intervals. At issue there is both classical psychological dependancy (a la cocaine addiction), which is certainly one of the major dangers of the drug, but also a social state — the idea being that these people are addicts because they are part of heroin culture, not because they need the drug. They use because their friends use; they use as a diversion from the shitty reality of living on the street; and they use because in their minds they are addicts. However, it is not uncommon for people in these circumstances to stop using abruptly, and without significant consequences. Middle- and upper-class users who use regularly but without developing habits are called chippers and are much less likely to identify as addicts, even if they use as regularly as street users.

    Heroin is very, very bad for you.
    Actually, there is very little to suggest that heroin per se is harmful. Medically speaking, middle- and upper-class users tend to be in average physical condition. There are documented cases of people with opiate-dependencies spanning decades without significant health problems as a result. There are four ways that heroin users tend to harm themselves, and none of them except overdosing is a direct result of diacetylmorphine itself. They are: overdose (which is vastly less common than popularly thought, but more on that below); adulterant toxicity; malnutrition; and damage caused by needle usage (diseases like HIV and hepatitis, vein damage, etc). Overdose, adulterants, and needle problems are all solvable and for the most part have fairly obvious solutions (which, ironically, the War on Some Drugs discourages). Malnutrition is more a problem for street users than more well off users, and causes most of the physical characteristics associated with “heroin chic” — emaciation, sunken eyes, etc.

    Consider, as well, the use of long-term methadone use as a treatment for heroin addiction. Methadone is a long acting opiate which actually has worse (and longer) withdrawal symptoms than heroin. In maintenance methadone treatment users are given regular doses in order to keep off withdrawal. They effectively substitute one addiction for the other. This treatment can last indefinitely. It’s useful because methadone doesn’t have the euphoric kick that heroin does, so users are disinclined to elevate doses or dosing intervals. Methadone is otherwise very similar to heroin and other narcotic opiates and body toxicity would make it a poor choice for prolonged treatment (I know this doesn’t prove that heroin isn’t harmful to the body, but that fact is well documented; I’m just trying to give common sense support to that notion).

    Heroin withdrawal is so horrible that a junkie will do anything to avoid it.
    While it is true that heroin withdrawal produces shivers, vomiting and cold sweats, short term withdrawal symptoms have been wildy exaggerated in the media. The experience for a hardcore user (someone who is using multiple times a day for months at a time) is likened to a somewhat nasty flu and lasts only 48-72 hours. Many long-term junkies will periodically abstain for a while, choosing to go through withdrawal in order to reduce their tolerance. Others are forced to kick abruptly when their connection dries up, they run out of money, they end up in jail, etc. This withdrawal period is far less intense, uncomfortable or dangerous than alcohol or barbituate withdrawal, which in some settings can kill the user.

    There is a long-term withdrawal, lasting 20-40 weeks, however, that many users have a harder time with. Primary symptoms are an increased appetite for sleep and dysthymia (long-term, low grade depression).

    However, as mentioned before, heroin use, even regular and long term usage, doesn’t immediately imply the presence of these symptoms when a user kicks. And again, a more difficult factor is setting and socialization.

    Most people who use heroin eventually overdose and die; they eventually misjudge a dosage and are dead in minutes
    There is some documentation to support the notion that heroin purity has gone up, and it is true that this factor makes overdosing more likely. But the popular notion of what happens in a heroin overdose is radically wrong, and though statistics on the matter are hard to come by, it would seem that the majority of deaths attributed to “heroin overdose” are actually a result of one or two other factors.

    A heroin overdose causes the respiratory and cardiac systems to slow for a period of 4-6 hours until eventually respiration ceases entirely. For most of this period it is possible to reverse the effects of the overdose by stimulating the central nervous system. This is most effectively done with a drug like naloxone (trade name Narcan) which stimulates the CNS and blocks opiate receptors. However, due to general paranoia about criminal repercussions, many overdoses are either treated late or not at all. It appears that a quarter to a third of I.V. heroin deaths are caused solely from acute morphine intoxication (heroin is metabolized to morphine, which is then responsible for the effects on the body — it is more powerful than morphine only because it is able to cross the blood-brain barrier much more rapidly).

    The other causes of heroin deaths attributed to ‘overdose’ appear to be quinine intoxication and interaction with other CNS depressants such as alcohol and barbiturates. The incidence of sudden death in heroin users was only reported after 1939, when quinine began appearing as a cut in heroin (possibly as a result of a malaria outbreak among users, though this may be apocryphal). Quinine is also bitter and has a similar texture to heroin, making it a good candidate for an adulterant. Alcohol and barbiturates both have the properties of being cheap and alleviating the discomfort of withdrawal somewhat. Together these explanations seem to cover the two-thirds to three-quarters (some researchers claim the figure is higher and potentially accounts for nearly all heroin deaths). In many ‘overdose cases there is little to suggest that the user had taken enough heroin to cause an overdose in even an opiate-naive person. Many of these cases exhibit pulmonary edema and sometimes cerebral edema, which can be explained via the quinine theory. Other studies show that heroin tolerance drops dramatically with the presence of alcohol in the bloodstream, and while barbituates don’t seem to show the strength of the drop that alcohol does, any CNS depressant will place the user at higher risk. Sociological studies of heroin users show that most regular users don’t drink much while they are using, but those that do undoubtedly put themselves at a far greater risk than nondrinkers.

    An assessment of the relationship of the harms outlined above to the manner in which the War on Drugs attempts to control heroin usage isn’t very encouraging. The government has fought against needle exchange programs, which are an obvious and well-substantiated way to control the spread of HIV and hepatitis. The emphasis on punishment over treatment means that it is difficult for street addicts (those most likely to be caught in the war) to escape the social setting of other heroin users. And the primary dangers of shooting up — ‘overdose’ in it’s different guises, can be avoided by giving users easier access to Narcan; by making available methods to clean up heroin of adulterants (a fairly simple process; and what a strange irony that this substance, considered incredibly dangerous, would be considerably less dangerous if it was always pure!); and by educating people about the danger of polydrug abuse. Heroin deaths could drop drastically. Unfortunately the primary mechanism of action in the WOD is to make drugs so dangerous that people won’t want to use them; the casualties that come as a result, regardless of how preventable they are, are simply collateral damage that feeds back into the next year’s D.A.R.E. statistics handout.

    Further information for those interested in reading about how the War on Drugs is killing people:

    Websites:
    Heroin withdrawal : http://www.heroin-information.org/heroin/pages/how_bad_withdrawal.html
    Fatal heroin ‘overdose’: a review : http://www.lindesmith.org/library/darke2.html
    The heroin problem: an overview : http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/opiates.htm
    The “heroin overdose” mystery : http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cu12.htm
    Ethanol abuse in the etiology of heroin-related deaths : http://www.hoboes.com/html/Politics/Prohibition/Notes/Heroin-Ethanol_Abuse.html
    Drug War Facts – Heroin : http://www.drugwarfacts.org/heroin.htm
    The persistent, Dangerous Myth of the Heroin Overdose : http://www.peele.net/lib/heroinoverdose.html

    Claire wrote:
    I’m a recovering heroin addict, I was on the brown for roughly five years and I’ve lost so much due to my addiction. I started using just before I got pregnant but that was only recreational, a year later after my daughter was born, my partner then, left me taking my daughter with him although he was a big user also, that’s how I got in to it in the first place. Any how, this left me totally f***ed up considering I was also suffering from post-natal depression, I ending up tooting the stuff properly, before I knew it I was an addict. It used to make me constantly sick which wasn’t pleasant at all, so I started injecting. In fact the main reason for injecting was down to the dealers I had lodging with me, they weren’t sorting me what they were supposed to, leaving me with measley washes on the spoon.
    I got off it in november 2003 and now on subutex, which contains a blocker. This is the longest I’ve been clean and doing really well for myself, keeping out of trouble with the law. I would certainly advise anybody not to touch it, it isn’t worth going to jail for, losing close friends and family and your self respect and dignity.

    Hi Clare!!!! my name is Alex and i am also i Heroin Addict now on Subutex, i really know how you feel i was on the gear for 4 years an di distroyed my like i lost everything to it shit loads of money, by BEST friend and all of my personal stuff. I am now on Subutex i have been on this program for about 3 months and i have only used 2 times since starting my program, i am on 10ml now and it is really hard to stay away from it!!!!! you really must no see anyone who you used to smoke with your old pals i know every day you will see re-minders of gear like foil and sertan places you used to smoke at but just KEEP GOING on the Subutex and when you do finish your program i WOULD sugest doing NALTREXONE if you ask your key worker about it they can sort it out for you after your program ends.
    You really have done VERY WELL so far and KEEP it up Clare i know who hard it is for you, i know that famaily and friends might offer some help but they dont really know what it is like when you get cravings but i also know that other users or X-users give you encouragement it really helps so just remember you are doing EXCLENT and KEEP GOING on this long road. i honestly hope you do stick out the program and NEVER touch it again cuz i know what it can do to your life. (i hope you can understand what i haveput my spelling is not the best but please try to read it)

    Well once again WELL DONE and keep going, :horay: :horay:

    Take care darling

    Alex :horay: :horay: :horay: :horay:

    cliffchuff wrote:
    mwhahahaha what a crock of shit.

    There has never ever been Heroin put in pills, decades of testing proves this as a fact and idiots who spread stupid stories like this really show themselves to be fools.

    Well you have no fucking idea what your talking about Cliff !!!!!!!! there is Heroin in some pills this is true !!! maybe you have just never had a smacke pill before but there are pill out there with gear in i personaly know this for a FACT !!!!!

    I was a addict for 4 years and i was on a program and i get a piss test 2 times a week, one weekend i took 2 pills and on the monday when i was tested i told my key worker i had done 2 pills and i had done NO gear but when the results of my test came back i had tested positive for heroin and i can say 100% i had NOT done any gear for months and i had just taken 2 pills that weekend but the pills did have gear in SO you are talking shit mate !!!!!! if your going to post anything on here you SHOULD get the facts first not just what you think to be true, so get it right before putting shit like that on here before knowing the facts Cliff !!!!!!!!!

    Alex :get_you:

    My diary of events from when I went into detox is nearly half finished. When it has been completed, those of you who are interested in my experience in a psychiatric ward doing a methodone detox, it will be here for you to read.

    I hope this will give some background of Opiate Detox from my perception.

    P>L>U<R

    Elliot

    smokedareefa wrote:
    my little chicken does heroin nd wants me 2 try, is it ne good?

    of corse it’s good why do you think people get addicted. If she does it then maybe you should get your self a new little chicken. Try fillet tower burgers from kfc, they even contain estrogen.

    Heroin is just the best for the buzz.

    [IMG]http://scd.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1240138862[/IMG]

    I love it.

    geoffbrooking@yahoo.com

    geoffbrooking wrote:
    Heroin is just the best for the buzz.

    i think it comes down to personality, as i find the buzz boring and I get a bit irritable

    i’d rather be straight and doing things I enjoy

    it personaly hav not beinfitted from ne one who taken it..it actualy made my quality of life worse off…so obviously i biased

    acidlove wrote:
    it personaly hav not beinfitted from ne one who taken it..it actualy made my quality of life worse off…so obviously i biased

    It has really fucked up the lives of at least a quarter of all my raving friends from the early 90s etc, either from being addicted or from being ripped off by someone who was addicted.

    Most people come through addiction but only after putting themselves and those around them through a lot of pain and passing the costs back to the rest of society; and this is one reason why wider society wants raves and their associated drugs culture stopped.

    this site is sometimes accused of being “overly fluffy etc” but this thread is a real and stark reminder of the dark side of people taking recreational drugs without anyone to guide or advise them.

    One good thing though is that there are a new generation of ravers who are trying not to make the same mistakes again….

    General Lighting wrote:
    It has really fucked up the lives of at least a quarter of all my raving friends from the early 90s etc, either from being addicted or from being ripped off by someone who was addicted.

    Most people come through addiction but only after putting themselves and those around them through a lot of pain and passing the costs back to the rest of society; and this is one reason why wider society wants raves and their associated drugs culture stopped.

    this site is sometimes accused of being “overly fluffy etc” but this thread is a real and stark reminder of the dark side of people taking recreational drugs without anyone to guide or advise them.

    One good thing though is that there are a new generation of ravers who are trying not to make the same mistakes again….

    yeah yeah….definatly..no matter what i do i’ll avoid taking that my childhood was crushed by abusers of that drug- its like it robbed me..all i can say is FUCK THAT SHIT

    acidlove wrote:
    yeah yeah….definatly..no matter what i do i’ll avoid taking that my childhood was crushed by abusers of that drug- its like it robbed me..all i can say is FUCK THAT SHIT

    I don’t want to pry into the past or encourage you to discuss in public anything that may still be hurtful to you; but I get the impression from your comment someone whom you loved, trusted and was close to fucked up their lives and yours through their addiction.

    that is the sort of ultimate betrayal that could drive someone to seek revenge rather than forgive anybody, or could make someone (understandably) be totally anti any form of drug use whatsoever…

    you have done really well to come through that, and actually still support peoples freedom to party and use drugs….

    yea i duno y i decided to discuss this randomly on here…i guess its away of gettin over it…USE NOT ABUSE is all i wana preach…ppl get so selfish through drugs and dont realise their actions r affecton every one…hmmm…


    but thank u, like i said use not abuse..parties r great n i love them very much..and drugs r part of that its just wen it goes to far outside of that environent…

    FUCK SMACK

    FUCK CRACK

    FUCK CRISTAL METH

    im a buzzhead like most ravers but some shit is just gnarly

    smack isnt a raving drug, fucks ur spinal column up an shit with prolonged use so u cant even dance.

    stick to mdma an kett an speed (not together though, its fun but k an mandy makes me trip big time).

    alex-1981 wrote:
    I was a addict for 4 years and i was on a program and i get a piss test 2 times a week, one weekend i took 2 pills and on the monday when i was tested i told my key worker i had done 2 pills and i had done NO gear but when the results of my test came back i had tested positive for heroin and i can say 100% i had NOT done any gear for months and i had just taken 2 pills that weekend but the pills did have gear in

    So why has there never ever been a pill found with smack in by the police who test all drugs eized as a matter of course? we are talking about millions of drug samples tested annually.

    Piss tests are not accepted in a court of law unless they are done by gas impaction which costs about £135 per test, drug projects do a cheaper and more likely to give false results test (I work in a drug project and test people all the time I have also been responsible for researchin the different types of drug test about and have talked to experts as well as marketing people who make drug tests) we occasionally get wrong results and i have a few times used different tests and got different results.

    If you were on a DIP or CJIt testing order they tend to use the cheapest available tests as they are doing so many and its expensive we spend £75,000 in under a year and thats just one smaller London borough!.

    did you smoke any spliff over this weekend? because thats how most of the people who give Heroin positive results when they don’t think they have taken any accidentally smoke brown..

    or your drug worker may have lied or been trying to psych you into admitting you used.

    or the test results could have been mixed up (this happens every now and then as well)

    I once took some pills than had psycadelic gold dust in and I sold my turds and bought a mercedes.:toxic:

    If you actually did get a pill with Heroin in someone must have laid out the money so they could press their own pills up just for you (does anyone hate you enough to do that?) because like the romours of skink with heroin in these are urban legends and you are spreading information that is misleading. unless you have actually had a pill tested your subjective opinion that pilss have heroin in is not sufficent to spread this sort of romour over:get_you:

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