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  • You’ve every right to rant subtex, and fair play to you! I wish you continued strength and all thats good in life, and who better to help users than ex- users, rather than people with no experience, just a vested interest in their paypacket and pension. Respect to you!

    audiocraft wrote:
    rather than people with no experience, just a vested interest in their paypacket and pension. Respect to you!

    If there were’nt people who were wanting to work in the field of addiction who (Like anyone working IMHO) are interested in their pay packet and pension (as I guess thats one of the big reasons why people work – unless volunteering) there would be even less support around than there already is!

    As Subutex detoxer highlights unfortunatleywith in the NHS there is a lack of funding / jobs/ staff / high turn over of staff / burn out that leads to workers being changed regularily with often bad effects on their ‘clients’. As with all areas of healthcare….

    Most people who I have met who work in this field have a vested interest in helping others, personal experience (themselves or friends / family members) as they cant possibly do it only for the money as its shite, NHS or social funded employment isnt the best paid.

    IMHO I think people who are just interested in money alone – would’nt work in this field or bother trying to help ‘addicts’ –

    what with the experience,
    user involvement is brilliant and ex-addicts working in this field is actively encouraged but for non – drug users working in this field – 1) I guess with any job – everyone has to start somewhere? and people can learn.

    2) Does some one have to have schizophrenia to help someone with a mental illness? or have had a heart attack themselves to have the knowledge to help / nurse / counsell someone ?

    Sorry….. I’m ranting now!

    But back to the origional question……

    I believe it would be worthwhile

    i’m not on about the frontline workers, hats of to them, its the unnecessary admin people who make most of the decisions and get much more money for it then the people who do the real work. way too much red tape in everything i say. all part of big brother

    audiocraft wrote:
    i’m not on about the frontline workers, hats of to them, its the unnecessary admin people who make most of the decisions and get much more money for it then the people who do the real work. way too much red tape in everything i say. all part of big brother

    Oh I deffo agree with fat cats making up ‘rules’ etc and pocketing money that should be spent on education etc,
    just one of my bug bears too, so sorry for the rant :love:

    audiocraft wrote:
    i’m not on about the frontline workers, hats of to them, its the unnecessary admin people who make most of the decisions and get much more money for it then the people who do the real work. way too much red tape in everything i say. all part of big brother

    those admin jobs (particularly in the public sector) are the reward of conformity and acceptance of the mainstream system

    I worked in the Civil Service for four years of my life… whilst no one there was actually particularly malicious nor evil; I could tell that the management were selected from a certain type of person

    they were the people who had worked hard since high school days, handed in their homework on time, never rebelled much against authority, at Uni they didn’t go out drinking much but spent their time doing extra studies or getting extra work experience

    They just weren’t interested in stuff like raves or partying – they weren’t particularly anti the lifestyle but it had no place in their lives as their careers and study came first.

    But – when you put these people in charge of such things as giving treatment/money to those who have made mistakes in their lives or just rebelled against the system – they don’t really have any empathy for the people at the sharp end, either the frontline staff or the clients.

    They pay lip service to the cause because of political correctness; many of them often resent the fact they are giving out the money to these causes and want the projects to fail provided it doesn’t adversely affect their career prospects.

    Its those who conformed fighting back against those who didn’t if they hit hard times and ask the state to help them..

    I’m quite aware that this thread is fairly old.. but If I hadn’t stumbled upon it last week and read and printed out the usage and wean info I’d be in quite a jam..

    I’ve been on Subutex since late January.. this is my 2nd time.. the first time i was on suboxone and loved it. it did great things for me and never did i crave anything..

    I’m 8mnths pregnant and 4mnths in I fell back into the pills.. Depression can be an evil thing.. almost as evil as the drugs you take to make yourself not feel it.

    So, I’m on Subutex now.. down to .05mgs a day.. because of this article..my Dr who is indedd very nice is also Older and set in his pld school ways. I’ went through withdrawels twice on his plan and he told me it was all in my head.. believe me it wasnt.

    So, I’m going to do my damdest to wean myself off before this baby girl is born..

    I can say that i dont remember the first time being as hard but since my body has changed so much who knows.. i also have been thinking back to getting off it the 1st time and realize i did get sick but no anxiety or pain which is ALL i get now if I stop. And it’s on my mind every day.. i cant wait to take it then cant wait for it to kick in.. Of course I have to wait until my mother decides she wants to give it to me.. but I guess the more hours I wait the better off I’ll be in the long run.

    So tomorrow I go see my OB and see if we can hatch out some sort of plan for this.. since my sub dr has already refused to treat me once..

    wich me luck guys

    :group_hug

    mom2be wrote:
    I’m quite aware that this thread is fairly old.. but If I hadn’t stumbled upon it last week and read and printed out the usage and wean info I’d be in quite a jam..

    I’ve been on Subutex since late January.. this is my 2nd time.. the first time i was on suboxone and loved it. it did great things for me and never did i crave anything..

    I’m 8mnths pregnant and 4mnths in I fell back into the pills.. Depression can be an evil thing.. almost as evil as the drugs you take to make yourself not feel it.

    So, I’m on Subutex now.. down to .05mgs a day.. because of this article..my Dr who is indedd very nice is also Older and set in his pld school ways. I’ went through withdrawels twice on his plan and he told me it was all in my head.. believe me it wasnt.

    So, I’m going to do my damdest to wean myself off before this baby girl is born..

    I can say that i dont remember the first time being as hard but since my body has changed so much who knows.. i also have been thinking back to getting off it the 1st time and realize i did get sick but no anxiety or pain which is ALL i get now if I stop. And it’s on my mind every day.. i cant wait to take it then cant wait for it to kick in.. Of course I have to wait until my mother decides she wants to give it to me.. but I guess the more hours I wait the better off I’ll be in the long run.

    So tomorrow I go see my OB and see if we can hatch out some sort of plan for this.. since my sub dr has already refused to treat me once..

    wich me luck guys

    :group_hug

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    Good luck :flowers:

    mom2be wrote:
    I’m quite aware that this thread is fairly old.. but If I hadn’t stumbled upon it last week and read and printed out the usage and wean info I’d be in quite a jam..

    I’ve been on Subutex since late January.. this is my 2nd time.. the first time i was on suboxone and loved it. it did great things for me and never did i crave anything..

    I’m 8mnths pregnant and 4mnths in I fell back into the pills.. Depression can be an evil thing.. almost as evil as the drugs you take to make yourself not feel it.

    So, I’m on Subutex now.. down to .05mgs a day.. because of this article..my Dr who is indedd very nice is also Older and set in his pld school ways. I’ went through withdrawels twice on his plan and he told me it was all in my head.. believe me it wasnt.

    So, I’m going to do my damdest to wean myself off before this baby girl is born..

    I can say that i dont remember the first time being as hard but since my body has changed so much who knows.. i also have been thinking back to getting off it the 1st time and realize i did get sick but no anxiety or pain which is ALL i get now if I stop. And it’s on my mind every day.. i cant wait to take it then cant wait for it to kick in.. Of course I have to wait until my mother decides she wants to give it to me.. but I guess the more hours I wait the better off I’ll be in the long run.

    So tomorrow I go see my OB and see if we can hatch out some sort of plan for this.. since my sub dr has already refused to treat me once..

    wich me luck guys

    :group_hug

    I’m sure you are already aware, but please be careful if your planning on reducing whilst pregnant as withdrawals may induce premature labour,
    and only do it in conjunction with strict supervision with your team.
    most places will only reduce whilst pregnant in an inpatient facility, so that you have 24 hour cover.
    Alternativley it may be worth just keeping yourself safe and doing it after the birth…

    what ever you decide all the best for you and your future :group_hug

    I’m aware that the withdrawels can cause pre-mature labor, although my subutex DR doesnt seem to think it will be a prob.. the prob is with my OB dr who knows nothing about the drug.. my biggest problem is the anxiety..and again my dr’s neither one of them will prescribe me anything while I’m tapering off.. which in my mind would be better for both me and the baby if there was nothing in our systems when she were born..
    my Ob dr prescribed me paxil which i refuse to take and will not take as long as “m preg or breast feeding..
    I dont see the harm in being able to have a 10 day supply of anti anxiety medicine while I get off the subutex..
    I’m lucky ANYONE will help me
    it really is beginning to upset me.. because everyone thinks they know whats best for me.. when Im ME not them

    thanks for the love guys… I dont have a very good support team

    We are here if you need us – its tough enough without feeling all alone

    :group_hug:group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

    And you are right too – they are not you and at the end of the day the final decision for what is best for you is yours not theirs

    :group_hug:group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

    Raj wrote:
    We are here if you need us – its tough enough without feeling all alone

    :group_hug:group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

    And you are right too – they are not you and at the end of the day the final decision for what is best for you is yours not theirs

    :group_hug:group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

    I wish that were true, but its not.. since i”m not a DR. and I cant find one to give me the xanax. it’s really not fair at all.. i even went to a methadone clinic and they refused me treatment because of the subutex.. Its funny how when your NOT pregnant you can get whatever you want out of them.. when I didnt want or need it, and now it’s impossible.. I have to find it some other way now. which is unfair

    chamomile tea? or another safe herbal tea 😉

    try to concentrate on the positive and not get hung up on the negative shit – its not good for you 😉

    Subutex is now huge in especially Finland and France, for different reasons, also in Estonia there are Subutex users but because of the price most substitute users are taking Methadone…

    In finland the scene in the 90s turned slowly but shurely from the dance-cannabis-acid-mdma crowd, to more and more toward the ‘traditional’ way, of people starting to chill out with H…

    And when the market got driven by youngish ravers, who werent after the price so much, the whole scene suddenly was floooded with cheap heroin from Russia, and it was pure and cheap (one guy who I purchased my ‘hooker’ from, was busted and they measured his smak at 80% !!!

    Normal brown is 20% usually, and that can kill somebody with no tolerance really easy especially if they have drunk…

    Anyway, a certain ‘doctor’ who started to treat the new wave of heroin addicts, and it was getting bad, in the later 90s there was a new wave of hiv infections from needles, as hiv had previously been so marginal that people just didnt care or couldnt belive that it would be in that needle that their best friend just shot up with…

    So, this doctor, who lost his licences and was finally put into prison, at first seemed like a messias for the now thousands of heroin addicts as he got people to get Subutex from France where it was the new preferred drug for heroin substitucion, aside of the age old methadone…

    And people took to it, at the same time, arround the millenium, the quality of heroin started to go down fast, and after 9.11 it started to dissappear, the last summer I got good stuff was 2002.

    And after that I was a complete Subutex user, unfortunately, I wasnt treated in a Finnish state drug hospital or some such, It was basically coming from a quack-dealer, and it was very fast found out that by adding water, and carefully using half a cigarrette filter, one could filter it, and inject.

    These people got into very high loads of buprenorphine, and nowadays, as the queue is still minimun one to two years to get the goverments substitute treatement in Finland, people go to Estonia’s officilal substitute treatment, where you are in a hospital for three to seven days under surveillance and then you get prescriptions of either subutex or methadone, the ammount is the same for all and depending on how deep the person is into the dosage ect it lasts from one week to one month…

    It is a great sin that the Finnish goverment has only made it more difficult for people getting substitute treatment, and now some of the younger people coming to estonia are about 20 year olds, who started with shooting up subutex/puprenorphine circa three years ago!!! :hopeless:

    So, I for one, who got hooked in 98 with real heroin, just weep at the cituation, of a supposedly really good living conditions holding Finland, which has one of the most brutal heroin treatments in the world! And I have got treatment in Thailand (methadone), France (subutex and methadone), Russia (narco-treatment ‘putting you under anasthesia). Spain (Methadone), Britain (Methadone), Finland (nothing! Waited for a year and went to Estonia), may I add that the longest waiting period was in Finland (one year and still waiting), and the other countries veried from instant to one month…

    So, the next time you hear things about the scandinavian social state, just belive me, that Finland is one great liar to the other countries about it’s institutions… I created what the doctors called a ‘normal worrying heroin problem’ into a pending ‘subutex nighmare’ as the artery’s get really hard from shooting up pills, the subutex shooting generation, will have heart attacks with a very high probability in the next 25 years, even if they do get through the cold turkey, where as heroin addicts could get into a normal life and expect to live to old age if they beat the monkey…

    Just ask any Finnish subutex shooter if their vains have vanished… They do! And not just like a speedfreaks or smakheads, I mean they just are destroyed!:yakk:

    p.s. nowadays, I am not in any contact with the old shootup crowd, I go to estonia, and swallow two to three pills a day, and live a norlmal life. I know I must get off the meth soon, but cannot right now for reasons I would rahter keep to myself, nothing to do with cowardice, I just need to appear normal in the summer…

    Welcome to partyvibe OKAYTEMIZ

    Thanks for sharing your story with us and keep fighting the good fight :group_hug:group_hug:group_hug

    We are here if you want to talk to someone :flowers:

    Same here, I appreciated reading what you wrote as well! Welcome…

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