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  • receivetransmit;336879 wrote:
    soz process, i was trying to reply to another guy on here and the thread just came back here, still getting used to the site’s functionality, thx for yr input tho m8, :group_hug and polygon window(afx fan perhaps?) cheers fo yo thread as well, the subs seem to be dealing with my cravings efficiently, so i think i’ll save my score(£20) and buy some rcords instead. raaa

    I waited about 8-9 hours since i last used b4 i did my first subutex and it seems to have taken the edge right off. i have taken 4mg’s so far today and am supposed to go get my weekends worth script (4mg’s per day) to see me through to monday then im meeting my drugs worker on tues to review. i guess i better jus stick to my daily dosage and sit this one out till im clean as a whistle…:crazy_dru

    thx peeps.. you really have helped a man in need…. you all desrve a medal of some sort, i will call it the raver support/good karma medal…. peace. xxxxx

    no worries mate, keep it going. Positive energy all the way! :bounce_flash:
    post a mix up on here once you’ve got your new choons mate. be good to hear what your mixing! :weee:

    receivetransmit;336842 wrote:
    i have just got myself on to a subutex course and taken my 4mg’s this morning…

    1)I am trying my best to sit this one out this time….i last used yesterday and woke up this morning feeling slightly withdrawn, not majorly though because i managed to stay clean for a bout 4-5 days last week but relapsed this weekend just gone up until yesterday eve. i believe i was feeling the wd effects so i took my sub? was this the right move.

    2) if my cravings get the better of me and i decide to stupidly go score, what will the overall effect be on me, will i feel stoned?, will i get some serious wd effects after i run out? i know i must just abstain but these are questions i need answered and you look like the man to ask dude….

    welcome to PV :group_hug

    good luck on the subbies

    4mg usually the reccomended first day dose, but dependant on how much you been using as to how much you’ll need

    are your looking for stabilisation and maintenance, (if so 6 – 8mg can be enough, and 16mg is meant to block all the opiate receptors in the brain) or detox?

    If you use on top – the likelyhood is you will go into withdrawals as it is part agonist and part antagonist (?sp) ie, its an opiate and blocker

    but people can cluck it out and carry on using, but do be carefull as there is always a risk of unintentional od if you do so

    (and if you do use your ‘meant’ to wait atleast 12 hours before taking subutex, (ibruprofen / buscopan etc for withdrawals) and if you use meth ATLEAST 24 hours from last juice to subutex – as can put you into a cluck if you take too soon – it is however really difficult to judge)

    good luck on mon with your worker, be honest and ask all the questions you need!!

    thx tank girl, just went out and had a pint last night , and guess what, no clucks as yet…..
    so things on th up i guess, taken first sub of the day just now,… coffee and studio time me tinks…….. not gonna use again for a while, (touch wood,…… touch major wood )XX

    hey process i’ll get a mix up on here asap… do you know where i can get a decent crack of ableton i been looking on torrent sites and they’re full of trojans and all sorts, difficult to install and so on…??? for pc btw…. i just want a nice big pack of cracked easy to install fresh vsti’s and sequencer software all in one cd like the good ole days, my buddy swears by dc++ for downloading but i use utorrent which is better you reckon?

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      receivetransmit;336879 wrote:
      polygon window(afx fan perhaps?)

      raaayeee mate!

      Have heard good and bad / very bad experiences,

      they do a VERY fast and somewhat physically extreme detox,
      (have heard of someone dying – might be worth googleing it – they prob had underlying physical health problems which were not known and the naltraxone detox prob was just too physically demanding)

      AFAIK they sedate you and give you naltraxone (blocker) that removes all the opiates in your system /brain receptors very quickly – they try and counter this with stuff for cramps / diareaha (?sp) / aches etc – you most prob will be physically uncomfortable for a few days atleast

      its private and expensive and ONLY deals with the physical detox / withdrawal symptoms –

      not the long term psychological problems / reasons people use substances,

      most people I know done it relapsed (whether it be straight away (within an hour of being released) or a few months later) due to the underlying problems not being addressed,

      your local DAT should be able to look at ultra slow out patient reduction or inpatient detox if you can show motivation etc – but as with all NHS things there may be a waiting list, but hopefully they can offer some sort of theraputic program to go along side it and follow up after wards to help support you – rather then just deal with the physical effects of addiction.

      and the NHS should only offer naltraxone when you give a supervised negative urine test and usually you have to go to a clinic / unit to be monitored for a few hours, and they will only give you half a tablet – if you ok on this you then get a script for one tablet a day – your responsibility to take.

      others may have other experiences and these may be more possitive,

      detox alone can work for some people but usually you do need alternative support / therapy

      have you tried NA? they may have some advise at your local meeting

      best wishes and stay safe :group_hug

      Over 99% of our patients complete the detox and leave the clinic clean of opiates.

      it doesnt seem to give details of how many people stay clean after though…

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        i thought u may say this tank girl, i was gonna say it but i didnt have evidence (the relapse)

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        A.T. Watchdog :: View topic – detox 5?

        not read all the topic posts but maybe helpful reading for you
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        How long u been usin???
        xxxDDDxxx

        I’ve been on smack and various opiates and addicted for a few years. I went onto methadone maintenance for a couple of years, put on a lot of weight, then tried to rattle off it but, fuck….. So I switched to subutex once i got the methadone dose down to 30mg a day. Had to wait 24 hours till taking the subs (4mg follwed by another 4mg which I didn’t bother taking as 4mg turned out to be enough).

        You need to wait until H withdrawals are getting bad (medium bad) before taking subs otherwise they will push the H out of your brain and cause acute withdrawals. It’s best to wait a whole 24 hours. With methadone, don’t even go there for a few days unless you down to 30mg.

        Good luck with it all, keep us posted, you might find this link useful:

        Suboxone Withdrawal Symptoms – Sweating, Headache, Nausea, Insomnia, Anxiety, Pain…

        PS. I stepped off opiates 12 weeks ago and am almost feeling normal again now, the drug I finally jumped from was subutex after a taper…

        All the best,

        Vince.

        Oh, and the scientific bit: buprenorhpine is both an agonist and antagonist of the mu-opioid receptors in the brain. It’s antagonist action means that it will act like injecting naltrexone, throwing you into acute withdrawals, if you are on other opiates. But, while naltrexone wears off pretty quickly, the bupe will continue to keep you in withdrawals for 24 to even 36 hours.

        So, buprenorphine is a partial mu-opioid receptor agonist with a very high affinity for the mu-opioid receptor. This means it will knock out any other opiate that is clinging to the receptors and replace them with its own. Unfortunately, because it’s a partial agonist, it doesn’t fully compensate for the H (or whatever other opiate/opioid) that was there to start with. This leaves the user experiencing withdrawals.

        Uhm, I hope the above makes some sense :s I’ve never tried to write it all down before…. 🙂

        How is it going thelog?

        Thinking of you mate
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        @vincentx90 342600 wrote:

        Oh, and the scientific bit: buprenorhpine is both an agonist and antagonist of the mu-opioid receptors in the brain. It’s antagonist action means that it will act like injecting naltrexone, throwing you into acute withdrawals, if you are on other opiates. But, while naltrexone wears off pretty quickly, the bupe will continue to keep you in withdrawals for 24 to even 36 hours.

        So, buprenorphine is a partial mu-opioid receptor agonist with a very high affinity for the mu-opioid receptor. This means it will knock out any other opiate that is clinging to the receptors and replace them with its own. Unfortunately, because it’s a partial agonist, it doesn’t fully compensate for the H (or whatever other opiate/opioid) that was there to start with. This leaves the user experiencing withdrawals.

        Uhm, I hope the above makes some sense :s I’ve never tried to write it all down before…. 🙂

        i think another way of putting what you mean is … if you still have H attached to your opid recepters the subs will take there place making you have acute withdrawral as all of a sudden you don’t have any smack attached the receptors so it’s basicaly like being smacked up .. then instantly being 100% cold turky?

        you have to wait till your receptors do not have much or any di-morphine attached to them this way you will get a benifit from taking the replacement subs ratehr than a negative withdrawal effect (alltho you will have to hit a withdrawal to get to the point you can take subs and not withdraw more – actualy taking the subs will help the withdrawals and not make them worce)

        that’s the way i understand it anyway

        i defo hear ya mate, i found it hard to get back out with my m8s when i came off so course feeling like that ive relapsed. but today is my 1st day no meth or subbys feel like shit tho. i think this time i gotta make more of an effort to gte back ionto society if u know what i mean.

        :crazy_diz

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